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[Max™]

She is kinda responsible for people thinking she is shady and whatnot, just not in the way you would think: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-was-right-about-the-vast-right-wing-conspiracy-heres-why-it-exists/2016/09/02/4a5e0fba-6879-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

[mainiac]

The whole issue that makes this thing contentious is a lack of hard evidence. Basically everything is circumstantial or hearsay.

We actually have a vast amount of hard evidence.  We have more hard evidence then with any other public figure in history.  It's just not hard evidence that shows anything.

[SirQuiamus]

Except, you know, evidence is there. She did shady stuff. Stuff multiple people warned her against doing, including Obama. If she were running against anyone more reasonable than Trump her career would be dead.

This is a pill nobody wanted. (Except mainiac) A pill forced down our throats by a democratic party that ensured a clear way for her by keeping any other viable politicians out of their primary. So much so that a left wing socialist that can't even be fairly called a democrat pulled a strong second place.

This post is so bad I'm wondering if you're trying to prove mainiac right or something. The unnamed evidence (that you will not produce), the totally unclear accusation. (She did bad stuff! Not anything specific, but "stuff".)

And then of course the "everyone hates her" and "the Dem prevented other candidates from jumping in", again with not evidence. She won a huge number of votes. I guess none of them liked her?

The evidence has been produced and ignored. The "stuff" is ground thats been covered a dozen times already. The everybody hates her is a bit hyperbole, but certainly its been shown that her opinion polls are low and even her own supporters overwhelmingly believe she's corrupt.

As a fellow anti-clintonite, I'm very interested in this "evidence" of yours.

[PTTG??]

Idea: In order for the government to declare war, the President must personally kill a 19 year old citizen. If the cause is worth killing for, what's one more death? If the president can't bring themselves to kill someone for it, they certainly shouldn't go to war over it. The citizen must be the closest relation the president has in that age group.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It would probably be better to just pass the actual constitutional amendment that requires wars to be declared through referendum and places all "Yes" voters or their children at the military's disposal.

[Strife26]

That'd be problematic. Unwillingness to shove a gun in another country's face is just as capable of disaster as overwillingness.

What we really need is a sufficiently well funded, independent, competently lead organization that can wage war for their own interest and the interest of the greater part of humanity, not any petty national or subnational consideration.

A military without borders, if you will.

[Egan_BW]

And they're all ninjas.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That'd be problematic. Unwillingness to shove a gun in another country's face is just as capable of disaster as overwillingness.

What we really need is a sufficiently well funded, independent, competently lead organization that can wage war for their own interest and the interest of the greater part of humanity, not any petty national or subnational consideration.

A military without borders, if you will.

Big Boss pls

[Strife26]

That'd be problematic. Unwillingness to shove a gun in another country's face is just as capable of disaster as overwillingness.

What we really need is a sufficiently well funded, independent, competently lead organization that can wage war for their own interest and the interest of the greater part of humanity, not any petty national or subnational consideration.

A military without borders, if you will.

It's a joke, I know, but it would be entertaining to see whether such an organization could actually exist in practice.

I submit that's is not as much of a joke as an utopian solution to a lot of the world's problems. Give me a MEU and a few billion dollars in slush funds, and there's a lot of bad shit in the world that could be put six feet under.

[Helgoland]

It's a joke, I know, but it would be entertaining to see whether such an organization could actually exist in practice.

Isn't that thing not too far removed from the mercenary companies of old?

[Frumple]

Well, you're basically asking for the UN with teeth and without external oversight or control, so... yeah. Arguably one of the worst manners that could manifest, too, existing only to murder political opponents (maybe even ones that needed murdering, but we'd see how long that lasted :V) and nothing else.

Not sure I'd call it utopian, heh.

And nah, I wouldn't say so Helg. Those usually had to operate very much by the interests of whatever nation(s) they operated in, if perhaps not entirely.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's a joke, I know, but it would be entertaining to see whether such an organization could actually exist in practice.

Isn't that thing not too far removed from the mercenary companies of old?

Of old? Executive Solutions isn't that old.

[Helgoland]

They're nowhere near a state-level actor though.

[Strife26]

Well, you're basically asking for the UN with teeth and without external oversight or control, so... yeah. Arguably one of the worst manners that could manifest, too, existing only to murder political opponents (maybe even ones that needed murdering, but we'd see how long that lasted :V) and nothing else.

Not sure I'd call it utopian, heh.

And nah, I wouldn't say so Helg. Those usually had to operate very much by the interests of whatever nation(s) they operated in, if perhaps not entirely.

And competence, don't forget the competence part.

Reasonably, I'd expect that with sufficient internal dedication to the higher ideals of the concept, as well as strictly practical matters, there's some chance it would be stably positive. Our hypothetical MSF is never getting to be big enough to go toe to toe with a major power, because they always lack the kind of base of support that'd allow it. No native population or industry to fall back on makes taking over the world difficult. A fancy island as a base of operations would actually be perfect for this, big enough to allow the MSF organizational room, not enough to let them conquer the world more than our scope of knocking over especially questionable conduct from other militaries.

Executive Actions did some pretty impressive things, but they were definitely caring about British interests throughout.

I mean, I'm looking at the Biafran War as my base of thought. The world was completely cool with letting Nigeria do some very horrible things because that served individual national interests during the Cold War. All they got were a few crazy mercenaries and idealist mercenaries, followed by Frederick Forsythe's afterword of "at least we tried."

World would be a better damn place in the long run if" at least we tried" was "we tried and we won."

[mainiac]

Wow she didn't know that a single c in a quote pyramid meant classified even though that is just one of three markings that are required to mean classified. When do we string her up?

Btw what was the actual classified information? What secrets were so important? Was it a casual mention to the timing of a phone call? Imagine what the Chinese could have done with that?

Also the FBI thinks that Clinton complied completely to provide them with what they needed but wtf do they know? You have lurid accounts from people with a long history of embellishment.

Meanwhile Colin Powell is on record ( thanks to clintons record keeping) as having deliberately destroyed his email records trail. And no one gives a shit. Because no reasonable person would and his name isn't Clinton.

Although I am a little pissed he lied about it on the record when him telling the truth a year back might have killed this story.  Oh who am I kidding that wouldn't have mattered at all.