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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1350 on: July 26, 2016, 05:14:14 am »

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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1351 on: July 26, 2016, 05:23:44 am »

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You know, maybe Sanders made the right decision by not conceding the primary until the very end. He managed to push forward nearly all of his platform stuff, including stuff that was outright declared by some people as "delusional", like 15$ minimum wage, alongside with breaking up big banks and free public university education.
It sure seems that he didn't lose any political influence by not quitting early. In fact, he may have had much more influence than he would have had otherwise. This is certainly a historical decision on his part, one that may be followed by many more candidates in the future.
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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1352 on: July 26, 2016, 05:39:24 am »

Evil lurks the DNC as readily as it lurked the streets of yesteryear... But it was never the streets that were evil
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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1353 on: July 26, 2016, 06:01:30 am »

You know, maybe Sanders made the right decision by not conceding the primary until the very end. He managed to push forward nearly all of his platform stuff, including stuff that was outright declared by some people as "delusional", like 15$ minimum wage, alongside with breaking up big banks and free public university education.

It sure seems that he didn't lose any political influence by not quitting early. In fact, he may have had much more influence than he would have had otherwise. This is certainly a historical decision on his part, one that may be followed by many more candidates in the future.
... just about every appearance is that he lost a lot of political influence by not quitting earlier, as well as not handling things during the primary a (fair) bit more adroitly. Those things you mentioned as pushing forward were things clinton was already intending to push towards, just not quite as rapidly (because, y'know, then it'd be easier to actually get some shit done in a single term) on some fronts. 13-and-a-bit minimum wage, a massive expansion of free uni education for everyone below a certain (pretty damn high) income, etc., etc., etc. Was all shit that was already on the table. In exchange for "concessions" that were basically already happening, he's hurt the chances of a liberal president (and by extension SCOTUS position), lost pretty much any chance of influencing any major cabinet etc. positions, and mostly pissed off many of the people that's basically been trying to do the same goddamn thing he was.

He's maybe expanded his personal voting base to a degree (but not as much as he could have, because as I've noted this shit has alienated some of his previous support base) and managed to convince people to try to do some stuff that's probably goddamn stupid on a practical level, and in exchange did a lot of bridge burning with people that not just could have been allies towards the things he's try to get, but were (and still are, but you can pretty much guarantee it's not going to be so in tandem with sanders very much at this point), and generally turned a fair chunk of people that already weren't largely against his rhetoric style and whatnot.

Basically any gains you're seeing are significantly smaller than they probably could have been, and some have quite possibly turned things that could have been victories outright for his platform into pyhrric ones at best. A number of the decisions he's made, particularly near the end of the primary, have been frankly fucking stupid, particularly on any level that isn't kinda' distasteful (i.e. not egotism or personal gain or whatev').

And seriously, I say all this as someone that came into this primary pretty damn supportive of the guy, and was kinda' trying to stay positive on the man for most of the primary. I've really wanted to support someone as verbally (if not functionally) left-wing as he is. But dude done fucked up. My opinion of him as a political operator is now pretty much nil, and the impression of character he was giving before has been eroded to hell.
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« Reply #1354 on: July 26, 2016, 06:22:24 am »

So did you guys apparently watch a totally different DNC then my mom did?
She was fucking ecstatic last night due to how hilariously bad the whole thing was.
She actually vomited from laughter since EVERY. SINGLE. SPEAKER. ESPECIALLY SANDERS. was booed off the stage. And then a storm rolled over the whole thing to fuck over the speakers.

Granted she said most networks censored out the boos so maybe you literally were watching a different one.

Oh and no comment on the Pro-Hilary gestappo confiscating Bernie signs and threatening people? And the big ass fence-walls encircling both the stage and the entire building?
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« Reply #1355 on: July 26, 2016, 06:52:33 am »

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« Reply #1356 on: July 26, 2016, 06:53:58 am »

So did you guys apparently watch a totally different DNC then my mom did?
She was fucking ecstatic last night due to how hilariously bad the whole thing was.
She actually vomited from laughter since EVERY. SINGLE. SPEAKER. ESPECIALLY SANDERS. was booed off the stage. And then a storm rolled over the whole thing to fuck over the speakers.

Granted she said most networks censored out the boos so maybe you literally were watching a different one.

Oh and no comment on the Pro-Hilary gestappo confiscating Bernie signs and threatening people? And the big ass fence-walls encircling both the stage and the entire building?

That's basically what i saw as well.
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« Reply #1357 on: July 26, 2016, 06:54:07 am »

Geeze. I was listening to Fox last night (they were the only local channel covering it on the radio), and while there was some degree of booing early on, that largely dissipated after Elizabeth Warren.

After that, things were relatively cordial all things considered.

Also, not sure on the whole confiscation of the Bernie signs. The question was raised by one of the Fox anchors whether or not the signs were being confiscated, and apparently in house security supposedly were letting them be. Granted, I didn't see live coverage, only listened to it, so my view is (hopefully) understandably blinded by my lack of physical sight on the cameras of the convention.
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« Reply #1358 on: July 26, 2016, 06:56:44 am »

Sign stealing is pretty common at conventions. Ron Paul signs at the 2012 RNC was a Big Deal in the news for a little while. It's important for the leading candidate to highlight their insecurity by roughing up as many of the other contenders as possible.
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« Reply #1359 on: July 26, 2016, 06:59:53 am »

It's important for the leading candidate to highlight their insecurity by roughing up as many of the other contenders as possible.

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« Reply #1360 on: July 26, 2016, 07:02:50 am »

Geeze. I was listening to Fox last night (they were the only local channel covering it on the radio), and while there was some degree of booing early on, that largely dissipated after Elizabeth Warren.
That's because Fox started editing out the booing, as did most other channels. The only place that apparently still has the unedited event is YouTube, and who knows how long that will last since the establishment is fucking dedicated to whitewashing everything about Clinton at any cost.
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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1362 on: July 26, 2016, 07:13:22 am »

So did you guys apparently watch a totally different DNC then my mom did?
She was fucking ecstatic last night due to how hilariously bad the whole thing was.
She actually vomited from laughter since EVERY. SINGLE. SPEAKER. ESPECIALLY SANDERS. was booed off the stage. And then a storm rolled over the whole thing to fuck over the speakers.

Granted she said most networks censored out the boos so maybe you literally were watching a different one.

Oh and no comment on the Pro-Hilary gestappo confiscating Bernie signs and threatening people? And the big ass fence-walls encircling both the stage and the entire building?
Is it just me or is your mum extremely right-wing
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Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« Reply #1363 on: July 26, 2016, 07:14:01 am »

Also bugnuts, for what it's worth.

Why in the name of zeus would fox be editing out booing during the DNC, anyway?
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« Reply #1364 on: July 26, 2016, 07:17:02 am »

According to the fivethirtyeight guys, who were on the floor at the convention, the booing was very localised to mostly the california delegates and was only really noticable if you were near them, so how much of it networks picked up would be very related to where on the floor their mics were. Also, the bernie signs were actually being handed out, not taken away.

Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/democratic-convention-live-coverage-of-day-one/
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