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[Sergarr]

I thought that the open political violence stage would not begin until the election day proper.

Guess I was wrong.

[mainiac]

It's a big country.  There is always some arson and vandalism around election time.

[Criptfeind]

Theories of false flag operations are outlandish.

Theory?  What Theory is anyone talking about?  All people are saying is that motives from each side exist.

[Sergarr]

It's a big country.  There is always some arson and vandalism around election time.

I don't remember firebombing being a thing 4 years ago, though. Or 8 years ago. Though I was paying significantly less attention to USA politics back then...

[Frumple]

There were mosques set on fire, among other things, during the 2012 election cycle. Haven't double checked, but there were almost certainly similar events in 08, 04, etc., etc., etc. There really are pretty much always some arson/assault/murder during and more or less related to the campaign cycle.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I believe last cycle's big story was New Black Panthers attacking white people at voting locations.

[mainiac]

Oh man that was hilarious.  There was the fox clip where they were secretly filming the guy live and then in the middle of their speculation he holds a door open for an old white lady.

[Neonivek]

Wouldn't victim-blaming be if you said "they brought it upon themselves"?

Expressing any reasonable doubt over certain allegations is sometimes called "victim blaming", but I digress.

I hope it was false-flag.

Victim Blaming is where you blame a victim for the actions of another person with only exception being if the victim somehow forced the situation where the only reasonable result was for that to occur.

So a person wearing alluring clothing isn't responsible for being assaulted. Not their fault. Alluring clothing doesn't rob people of their judgement.

A person who harasses someone night and day and gets slugged in the face... Yeah their fault (mind you, this is debatable)

Run through a gun fight to pick up your cellphone? your fault kind of. (ok debatable... but you would be pretty stupid)

A person walking into a dark alley at night getting mugged? Not their fault they were mugged. They are at fault for being reckless but they are not responsible for the actions of others.

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When "Reasonable doubt" becomes victim blaming... Then what we are really talking about something else... What is usually called "siding with the victim no matter what".

I actually find both irrational defense to be particularly harmful to the system.

It doesn't always end with "And they were found innocent and everything returns to normal" for the unfairness of the accused... Not to mention the treatment accusers get is not only sometimes horrendous but is also one of the many reasons why few people ever step forward.

Essentially we punish both of them before the courts ever see the testimony.

[Rolan7]

Sure that's what it should be, agreed.

Yet this scenario happens a lot:
"Y got accused of rape by X!"
"That's terrible!  What's the evidence?"
"You're accusing X of lying!  You're blaming the victim!"

Dramatized for the point.  But it just seems similar to:
"Y got accused of burning down X's building!"
"Maybe X burned down their own building to make Y look bad!!"

Heck the second example seems like a much clearer example.

[RedKing]

... florida, huh. Half makes me wonder if that was blowback for the palm beach speech.

Not Florida. Orange County, NC. Specifically Hillsborough.
Like, five minutes from my house.

And before anybody even *thinks* it, no it wasn't me.
Drove by there this afternoon, and the damage looked pretty minor from the outside. The Republican Party HQ is in the back corner of an old strip mall, so it's not particularly visible from the main road.

News crews were out there, and i'm sure the local Republicritters were milking it for all they're worth. Thing is, this doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. Orange County is pretty much the bluest county in the state, even more so than Durham. You almost feel sorry for the local Republicans because they're such a minority. And there's not much they can do to make inroads, considering the three largest population centers are an artists' colony, a writers' colony and a preeminent liberals arts university (with emphasis on the "liberal").

Not saying that it was false-flag, because I could certainly see some kid(s) from UNC with more balls than brains thinking they'd strike "a blow against fascism" by going all street revolution on the local GOP office in the middle of the night, but seriously.....in this case, it's like beating up a cripple.

[Frumple]

Ah. Wrong orange county. And to think, for once florida actually would have made more sense.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't know, you see some dumb, dumb leftists at UNC but I think the whole antifa terrorism thing is more of a west coast delusion.

Looking at videos of Berkley and UCA schools makes me glad I went to college in a place where it was too cold for the new moral crusaders of our time to want to go outside and strike down the white nationalist menace or whatever. The worst I ever saw was the aforementioned stupid protest of the wrong organization over HB2's passage.

[Sergarr]

Trump's response to this act of political violence has to be seen to be believed:

Animals representing Hillary Clinton and Dems in North Carolina just firebombed our office in Orange County because we are winning @NCGOP

[Rolan7]

The group I ran with in Raleigh during high school never did anything like this... 
We did cause civil disturbances.  "Liberal activism" in the LCS sense.  Mostly riding our bicycles in front of people while shouting anti-Bush slogans.  And wearing inflammatory t-shirts with tits, hehe.

A firebombing, though...
Edit: I want to believe it's a false flag because, we were out there, and we didn't do anything like this.  Either the conservatives are false flagging us, or the younger generation is even more retarded than we were - and that's saying something.

[Frumple]

Eh, it could have just been someone that really doesn't like nazi rhetoric, too. Someone flipping out after trump went full nazi* wouldn't be exactly surprising, really. Unfortunate, obviously enough, but not too surprising.

*Last week, wasn't it? Where it stopped being hinted at and started taking talking points straight from the national socialists.