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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1413058 times)

Neonivek

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16410 on: December 30, 2016, 05:27:13 pm »

Uh let's not forget that the reason for kicking out the diplomats (meddling with the elections) is rather valid and serious.

True to admit... kicking out diplomats because they are being flagrant spies is something that people do.

The only reason to keep them around is so they aren't replaced by fresh ones.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16411 on: December 30, 2016, 05:32:03 pm »

So America kicks out Russian diplomats, then Russia takes the high ground and says American diplomats are welcome to stay. Then they go a step further, and invite our kids to attend their Christmas party.

Damnit Obama...you were so close to leaving the office with dignity.

I'm sorry, fighting against international espionage is not dignified enough for you?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16412 on: December 30, 2016, 05:54:08 pm »

Has there been any proof of the meddling yet?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16413 on: December 30, 2016, 07:37:03 pm »

Has there been any proof of the meddling yet?

In general? Yeah

These nerds? None released to public
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« Reply #16414 on: December 30, 2016, 07:54:32 pm »

;)

What a poignant username. And registered in October too, damn. I give 3:5 odds on it being a bot, 1:5 on being a mainiac alt, and 1:500 that it's just Jeb.
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« Reply #16415 on: December 30, 2016, 07:57:42 pm »

;)

What a poignant username. And registered in October too, damn. I give 3:5 odds on it being a bot, 1:5 on being a mainiac alt, and 1:500 that it's just Jeb.
It's uh definitely not mainiac, a bot, or me.
It's, I swear to gods, an actual seperate person.
A shitler, but come on...  What rules have they broken?
I'm actually hoping they'll post more.  I'd love to see them throw their gauntlet into the thread, and defend their positions :P
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16416 on: December 30, 2016, 07:58:12 pm »

It's Rolan's post-signing alt, 100%.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16417 on: December 30, 2016, 08:06:19 pm »

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16418 on: December 30, 2016, 08:23:43 pm »

;)

What a poignant username. And registered in October too, damn. I give 3:5 odds on it being a bot, 1:5 on being a mainiac alt, and 1:500 that it's just Jeb.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16419 on: December 30, 2016, 09:34:53 pm »

concerning electioneering:

i find the obama camp's take on it dubious at best, and childishly reactionary with serious geopolitical consequences at worst.

1) it places too much emphasis on the lowtech spearphishing done against podesta, in a seemingly desperate attempt to link it with prior, more sophisticated attacks that really were done by russia, despite a missing firm link between the two seperate events.

Even IF the spearphishing WAS orchestrated by russian intelligence, there is a lot of emphasis being placed on the effect of the dnc email dump in the outcome of this election. call me crazy if you want, but the rate of political slide in the states most influential to this outcome was already manifesting in 2008, and 2012. Hillary and Co. simply overestimated their hand. The dealer is not to blame here. The degree of contest in those states would still have been there had the dnc leak never happened.

2) If the outrage is over the use of propaganda to shape an election, then every election after ww1 is dirty.

3) if the anger is over the hacking of the dnc for dirt, why be angry now, and lenient when there was more evidence in the past instance from years prior, if not because of sour grapes in an election year?

need I remind everyone how clintons own foot in her mouth during a russian campaign year soiled a dedicated effort by obama to get better relations with russia? need i point out the hypocrisy of condemning russias reaction then, without condemning obama's reaction now, especially when the accusation is even more vapid and missing real substance than putin's accusations against clinton during the russian election were?

i mean, seriously.

no. not buying it.  Putin is a snake, no bones about it-- but there just is not enough evidence and a whole lot of confirmation bias in this whole "russia's fault!" narrative.

it takes more than just known political liars (cia, nsa, fbi and pals) giving opinions here. facts need a bit more substance, and policy should be enacted based on facts.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16420 on: December 30, 2016, 10:18:32 pm »

In agreeing with wierd, I must also make this important statement:

I think hillary wave should be a thing.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16421 on: December 30, 2016, 10:27:06 pm »

So America kicks out Russian diplomats, then Russia takes the high ground and says American diplomats are welcome to stay. Then they go a step further, and invite our kids to attend their Christmas party.

Damnit Obama...you were so close to leaving the office with dignity.
Were you REALLY ever going to concede to him a scrap of respect?  :P

Remember back at the start of Obama's term they kept calling his diplomacy the "Apology Tour"? He can't really win. Either he's too soft or he's to tough.

With the "Apology Tour" they were making a big deal about how he was playing too nice with allied nations and not being tough and nasty like is needed of a president. Sure, it started with a speech in Cairo about how muslims are not the enemy. But the point is, Egypt was a strong US ally, and the vast majority of Muslims live in nations which are military allies of the USA. Anti-Muslim sentiment actually destabilizes nations which America supports.
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« Reply #16422 on: December 30, 2016, 10:28:50 pm »

Well, the next President won't have those worries, since there won't be any allies left to apologize to.
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« Reply #16423 on: December 30, 2016, 11:25:19 pm »

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16424 on: December 30, 2016, 11:53:51 pm »

So, how well does advocating for Russia pay?
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