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[smjjames]

Oh, I misunderstood the track you were going with it a bit.

[TempAcc]

Having lived in the era of file sharing programs not being monitored 24-7 against ~unlawful~ material, I have gained a strong tendence to treat pedophiles as less than human beings. I don't think I need to go into details about this, either.

Having also tracked the efforts of groups like Perverted Justice and Evil Unveiled, which have exposed several online discussion boards made by pedophiles FOR pedophiles, where they discuss their "activities", one can see that they come from all layers of society and all kinds of backgrounds, and there's one very clear trend that spans every single one of those communities: they feel like they're victims, in fact, they actively enforce that feeling upon anyone who joins up those boards.

The majority of them think they're only expressing their love for the children they prey upon, and that the children consent to it and enjoy it, even though that, by observing their own fucked up stories (which they make sure to share, mind you), they often go from one child to another, after they get tired of the original, and end up teaching the original child how to lure and abuse others. The worst criminal isn't one that does something bad and is conscious of that fact, its the guy who thinks he's doing good while doing terrible things.

These are people who destroy children's lives to satisfy their fucked up tastes and then do every psychological acobratic feats to justify their actions and think of themselves as victims. Sure, there are observable exceptions (pedophiles who know they're doing terrible things but can't help it), but they're quite a small minority.
And sure, by listening to them, we could maybe find a way to treat them, but before that happens I want these people to be tracked 24-7, and to stay as far as possible from anyone within their desired victim age range, and I want society to be aware of what they are, what they do and how far they're willing to go to get what they want.

[Sergarr]

Belief in conspiracies largely depends on political identity:

One of the most notorious internet rumors of the 2016 presidential campaign, that there was a pedophile ring in the Clinton campaign, with code words embedded in the hacked emails of Clinton campaign manager John Podesta, is seen as “probably” or “definitely” true by more than a third of American adults.  The poll was conducted after an armed North Carolina man tried to “self-investigate” the claim by going to the District of Columbia pizza restaurant that was alleged to be the center of the ring earlier this month and found nothing.  But even afterwards only 29% are sure the allegation is “definitely” not true.

Spoiler: House Divided? (click to show/hide)

[martinuzz]

A major misconception is that all pedophiles would engage in sexual activity with a child. That is confusing 'pedosexual' with 'pedophile'.

A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, a pedosexual is someone who commits sexual acts with children. Note that not all pedosexuals are pedophiles. Some are just psychopats out for domination, others are just so depraved they'd fuck anything that has a hole, regardless of age.

Many pedophiles have never touched a child, and never will, because they know it is morally unacceptable. Similar to less than 50 years ago, gays never coming out, being married and having children, because they were taught it was morally unacceptable to be gay**.

EDIT: ** don't get me wrong, I am in no way advocating normalizing pedosexual acts, just saying that pedophilia is not inherently bad, it's just another sexual orientation, like LGBT, but one that should never be acted out for obvious reasons.

[smjjames]

@sergarr: That's political hyperpartianship for you, and this past election particularily magnified that.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's a complete mischaracterization, pedophilic desires are a pathological compulsion, not a sexual orientation. Hence why it can be meaningfully predicted from factors like being an abuse victim, while sexual orientations can't.

So if we can all stop spreading misinformation and encouraging pedo hunt hysteria, that would be great. Psychiatrists are the experts on this sort of thing, and we don't have any justification for taking our perceptions as medical fact than in any other form of disease.

[smjjames]

And lets also get back ontopic about politics.

Got nothing to rerail the thread with atm though.

[Neonivek]

Also the laws protecting Pedophiles are tooo strong.

We should change the laws so if someone is accused of being a pedophile the police are required to arrest them, as well judges should immediately convict them unless there is evidence proving without a shadow of a doubt that they didn't commit that crime.

*Note: Satire... And unfortunately... yes a lot of Americans 100% believe this for many crimes... It comes up everytime those "Only 5% of 'CRIME TYPE HERE' are convicted" statistics come out.

And lets also get back ontopic about politics.

Got nothing to rerail the thread with atm though.

So with America falling into pure idiocy as the political apocalypse looms closer completely reversing decades of progress America has made and showing just how entrenched and broken the current system is...

What next?

I mean psychologically the worse Donald Trump does... the more likely the people who voted for him will support him all the more.

[Rolepgeek]

I think you mean humanizing, not dehumanizing here. But yeah, merely understanding the problem doesn't solve the problem, only gives a base from which to start solving it.

No i meant dehumanizing. By which I mean just labeling people as monsters who don't need to be understood is the opposite of dealing with the issue. That's how people normally speak of "fixing" the problem, like you can just run around and lynch the evil-doers, problem "solved".

But then you look at the real data, which suggests the biggest at-risk abuser is a boy who was kiddy-fiddled by his mom and had no dad. Nobody wants to think in such terms, because they're completely 180 degrees away from how the media/society normally explains the problem, which is that we have to stamp out bad male behavior / bad dads, then the problem will go away.

Wait what

The mother abuses him so we have to fix the issues of dads

I want you to take a moment and think about what you've done to logic.

[hector13]

I think that's how Reelya thinks society sees the problem, rather than their conclusion from the evidence they found.

[TheBiggerFish]

I think that's how Reelya thinks society sees the problem, rather than their conclusion from the evidence they found.

Yeah.

[Tiruin]

That's a complete mischaracterization, pedophilic desires are a pathological compulsion, not a sexual orientation. Hence why it can be meaningfully predicted from factors like being an abuse victim, while sexual orientations can't.

So if we can all stop spreading misinformation and encouraging pedo hunt hysteria, that would be great. Psychiatrists are the experts on this sort of thing, and we don't have any justification for taking our perceptions as medical fact than in any other form of disease.

Err, this.
It's not a sexual orientation (and won't be, and isn't in the first place) due to many details that'd derail the thread even more. But this. Please recheck the information presented, and not stop at any dehumanizing idea. :O

Especially if it's only by social or societal observation (broaden it). Things may get mixed that way and lead to misinformation being information.
Anyway, I had extended family from America over (and who had just left recently, awesome people \o/) and...we're concerned about being able to even get in there just to visit. x.x Um...will anything change drastically soon?

[Neonivek]

Trump talks a big game...

But to my knowledge immigration and visitation reform isn't part of his current 100 day schedule.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As long as Trump and Duterte are never, ever in the same room together, everything will be fine. If they do ever meet, it'll either be war or they'll be caught screwing in the cloakroom.

[TheBiggerFish]

...Well that would be an interesting development.  And also scary.