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[martinuzz]

Indeed. The Dutch version is never used without a negative connotation. It kinda always implies conflict of interests.

[Shadowlord]

Now let's just hope that
A, it wasn't caused by anyone related to the protests; and
B, it won't be used to spin blame on the protestants/movement to discredit them

Clarification: Protestants are non-catholic christians whose faith descends from Martin Luther's protestant reformation. (The word you were looking for is protesters, I believe)

[Wolfhunter107]

Now let's just hope that
A, it wasn't caused by anyone related to the protests; and
B, it won't be used to spin blame on the protestants/movement to discredit them

Clarification: Protestants are non-catholic christians whose faith descends from Martin Luther's protestant reformation. (The word you were looking for is protesters, I believe)

Martin Luther: Environmentalist guerrilla, coming soon to a theater near you.

[Guardian G.I.]

Spoiler: Somewhat incendiary skype language regarding Mike Pence and his gay agenda (click to show/hide)

[3:38:02 PM] [Sean]: Fuck you [Chad]
[3:38:41 PM] [Amanda]: it has an android app too
[3:38:56 PM] [Brian/Me]: Oh yeah LCS does!  I haven't tried it
[3:39:17 PM] [Brian/Me]: It's probably a bit behind update-wise, but still, it's worth checking out just for the atmosphere.
[3:39:47 PM] [Brian/Me]: I mean, who hasn't wanted to play as the Sandanista front in the USA
[3:41:39 PM] [Chad]: Sorry [Sean] I'm not gay
[3:41:41 PM] [Chad]: No fucky fucky
[3:41:59 PM] [Sean]:
[3:42:13 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Zap the Trap" Pence
[3:42:47 PM] [Chad]: Mike "If you can't pass, I'll zap your ass" Pence
[3:42:54 PM] [Sean]: Mike "Taze the rainbow" Pence
[3:43:06 PM] [Brian/Me]: oooooh
[3:43:17 PM] [Chad]: Mike "You like cock, you get the shock" Pence
[3:44:06 PM] [Brian/Me]: (smirk)
[3:44:16 PM] [Chad]: gay
[3:44:16 PM] [Sean]: Mike "take a load, get the electrode" Pence
[3:45:47 PM] [Chad]: Mike "AC/DC for the LGBT" Pence
[3:45:53 PM] [Brian/Me]: omg
[3:46:06 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Electoral Volts" Pence
[3:46:37 PM] [Sean]: Mike "Pit a dick in your ass and feel tesla's wrath" Pence
[3:46:50 PM | Edited 3:46:51 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Gamma Ray the Gay Away" Pence
[3:46:54 PM] [Brian/Me]: Mike "I'll only pay one" Pence
[3:47:46 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Putting the 'trans' in Transistor" Pence
[3:48:05 PM] [Sean]: Mike "Closing gay chapters with AC adapters" Pence
[3:48:07 PM] [Brian/Me]: this is just like my MSPA sidestories
[3:48:17 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Fag Medicine with Edison" Pence
[3:49:01 PM] [Brian/Me]: You both won a long time ago, jeezum crimminy
[3:49:14 PM] [Chad]: Mike "Like men in nylon, become a human pylon" Pence
[3:49:28 PM] [Chad]: That's all I got
[3:49:29 PM] [Brian/Me]: We must erect more
[3:49:38 PM] [Sean]: Mike "if you don't touch her rack, you'll hear the lightning crack" Pence

I like 4chan's nicknames more:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[scriver]

Now let's just hope that
A, it wasn't caused by anyone related to the protests; and
B, it won't be used to spin blame on the protestants/movement to discredit them

Clarification: Protestants are non-catholic christians whose faith descends from Martin Luther's protestant reformation. (The word you were looking for is protesters, I believe)

I think you doth protest too much!

[Phmcw]

Does soùmeone know if there is any truth in the assertion that pro-clinton Fraud was uncovered in Detroit?

[Lord Shonus]

Does soùmeone know if there is any truth in the assertion that pro-clinton Fraud was uncovered in Detroit?

There is none. The claim is based on the discovery that 59% of Detroit's counties had a discrepancy between the number of paper ballots and the number of votes recorded electronically, making them probably ineligible for recount (to eliminate the possibility that ballots were added or removed after the election). In most cases the difference was a single vote, and the discrepancy is easily explained as mechanical malfunction.

[smjjames]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-russia-hacking-white-house-232642

Hm, if Trump really did know and then egged Russia on regardless, that seems rather traitorous.... At the time, everybody thought he was just being an asshole.

It kind of also raises the question of if Pence knew and when.

Of course, doesn't help that all of the media took the bait and published the leaked emails, but doesn't excuse traitorous behavior on the part of Trump.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

inb4 the President is actually, literally imprisoned for high treason

[smjjames]

The problem though, is how do you prove protected free speech vs treasonous speech? Obviously it comes down to intent, which is probably trickier to prove in court.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The treason wasn't in the speech, it was in knowing and enticing the corruption of democracy by a third actor. If it did all happen, that is.

[Baffler]

Someone having a reasonable motive to do something is not evidence that they did it. That story doesn't say anything more than "hey guys, wouldn't it be crazy if Trump was colluding with the FSB? Lol he'd be fucked." And even if they did selectively release that information to help him, it's not like he as a presidential candidate has any influence on what the intelligence service of a foreign country does.

[smjjames]

The treason wasn't in the speech, it was in knowing and enticing the corruption of democracy by a third actor. If it did all happen, that is.

That depends on how you interpret him basically saying "Hey Russia, hack the Dems!", could be taken as enticing. Though they probably did it way before he even said it anyway.

Someone having a reasonable motive to do something is not evidence that they did it. That story doesn't say anything more than "hey guys, wouldn't it be crazy if Trump was colluding with the FSB? Lol he'd be fucked." And even if they did selectively release that information to help him, it's not like he as a presidential candidate has any influence on what the intelligence service of a foreign country does.

Yeah, not sure why Earnest is saying that without evidence, but we'd have to see what the investigation actually turns up.

[Strife26]

inb4 the President is actually, literally imprisoned for high treason

Please don't misuse the word treason. It's literally the only crime defined in the Constitution and would require us to be at war with Russia

[Lord Shonus]

inb4 the President is actually, literally imprisoned for high treason

Please don't misuse the word treason. It's literally the only crime defined in the Constitution and would require us to be at war with Russia

The Constitutional definition is that "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.". The current US legal provision is " "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

It is entirely possible for a nation to be considered an enemy without an active state of war, and no legal definition of which I am aware claims otherwise. Case law is very narrow on the subject, as most people that would probably fall under the definition of treason were instead convicted of other offenses, with only eleven (Six in WWII, one for participation in the Battle of Blair Mountain labor uprising, one from the Civil War, One for leading Fries Rebellion in 1800 and two for the Whiskey Rebellion) convictions in US history.