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[Loud Whispers]

Rolepgeek I would say those roles have reversed and are the product of necessity, not philosophy

Consider how progressive leftism now eschews free speech in favour of safe speech, curtails academic freedom in favour of academic uniformity and intellectual insulation, whilst traditional rightism has eschewed conservatism in lieu of provocation, moral values in favour of pretenderism, nationalism in lieu of globalism etc.

I imagine once new-rightism takes supremacy, the roles will switch round again
It's similar to how for example the left and right were opposed to mass surveillance, but under Obama the left supported Obama's decision to label Edward as traitor, and the right rushed to defend civil liberties from Obama. Didn't really make sense to make it a left-right issue cos it was Bush as continued by Obama, but there you go, it certainly was looked at it like one. Cycles, it all goes on in cycles

[mainiac]

Any complicated ideology is easy to misunderstand when the alternative doesn't have to be tested.  As an example for comparison, it's hard to hate on healthcare reformers because everyone knows that the alternative to healthcare reform is an inhumane shitshow.  That gives perspective to the inevitable difficulties in healthcare reform.  It's very easy to make juvenile criticism of an ideology as anti-free speech because it can't be falsified.  All you have to do is point out that it's less then utopian and then bask in the smug satisfaction of an uncurious mind that just dissed someone.

And their 'wrongness', in my experience. In fact, it seems like most group's enemies consist entirely of stupid, brainwashed followers underneath vile, conniving, conspiratorial overlords.

Most groups.  But as an establishment zealot I'm in the awkward position that all my enemies consist of bright eyed zealots who see all the problems in the system that I wish people would ignore.

[Sergarr]

Fancy 360 degree coverage of DNC. You can change the direction you look, sci-fi, etc.

EDIT: Also, you can play a game "spot the Bernie Bro".

[mainiac]

EDIT: Also, you can play a game "spot the Bernie Bro".

On the stage at the podium?

[Sergarr]

EDIT: Also, you can play a game "spot the Bernie Bro".

On the stage at the podium?

Yeah, seems so.

Sanders is certainly getting the extremely positive attention on the DNC. Still sure about him losing political influence, Frumple?

[mainiac]

Still sure about him losing political influence, Frumple?

Fighting to the bitter end is a great way to get people talking about you.  But talk isn't the same as power, even in Congress.  Case in point, the democrats talk about Donald Trump a lot.  How effective do you think Donald Trump would be at getting democrats to vote for his ideas?

[Sergarr]

Still sure about him losing political influence, Frumple?

Fighting to the bitter end is a great way to get people talking about you.  But talk isn't the same as power, even in Congress.  Case in point, the democrats talk about Donald Trump a lot.  How effective do you think Donald Trump would be at getting democrats to vote for his ideas?

That's why I didn't just say "attention", I've said "extremely positive attention". Absolutely doesn't apply to Trump.

[sluissa]

Still sure about him losing political influence, Frumple?

Fighting to the bitter end is a great way to get people talking about you.  But talk isn't the same as power, even in Congress.  Case in point, the democrats talk about Donald Trump a lot.  How effective do you think Donald Trump would be at getting democrats to vote for his ideas?

I dunno, reverse psychology might work pretty well in that case. Don't built a wall! Don't close the borders! Don't take away everyone's health insurance!

"I dunno what he's up to, but we better be against him just for appearance sake."

[Wolfhunter107]

The roll call vote is starting now, with Alabama and Alaska. This is it, folks.

[Dorsidwarf]

Holy shit BFEL, where's all this shit about Big H being evil come from? Even the most dedicated of BernieBros in this here thread seem to have agreed that she is, at worst, subpar and externally influenced.

[Sergarr]

Aaand Alabama has lost 1 vote somewhere... must be a rounding error.

[mainiac]

That's why I didn't just say "attention", I've said "extremely positive attention". Absolutely doesn't apply to Trump.

This is the kiss and make up lovefest part of the process.  Only a complete asshole would say anything remotely negative.  It would not only be counter productive, it would be a completely unclassy move.  Like talking about the divorce while giving the best man speech for the second wedding.

Outside the kiss and make up part you have a lot of people pissed off.  Look at the DNC emails leak.  They contain a lot of bitching and moaning about Bernie Sanders.

Aaand Alabama has lost 1 vote somewhere... must be a rounding error.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[smjjames]

Just caught the start as California was going. Any revolts yet?

[Wolfhunter107]

Just caught the start as California was going. Any revolts yet?

Nope. Everything is going well so far.

[smjjames]

I half expected California to cause some drama, but that might come from Texas what with what happened this morning.