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[Neonivek]

Hey guys, can I have a Trump quote where he specifically targets ALL illegal immigrants (or at least Mexican ones) and not just the "Violent rapists"?

I need it for a discussion.

[wierd]

60 mins interview, neon.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-elect-trump-says-how-many-immigrants-hell-deport/

Gives a very trumpy non answer, that after getting rid of the violent ones and closing borders, then a determination will be made.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

"Anyone who is in the United States illegally is subject to deportation."

Source.

I don't think he's ever explicitly hyperbolic about nonviolent illegal immigrants, but he doesn't have to. He just tries to overwrite their existence with every bad hombre he can get his tiny fingers on.

[wierd]

See yesterday's discussion about labor.

Now, review this.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-immigrants-study-2016-5

 It may be just more of the "money first, legality never" mindset, but we are in a situation where righting that cart in such an abrupt way, so soon after a global recession, is just absurd.

This isn even touching the humanist side of things.

To me, the obvious solution is not an amnesty per se, but instead an emergency issue of work visas, with fast tracked citizenship, to make those people legal, the right way, without imploding the economy, while sending the message that illegal labor will not be permitted any longer.

[wierd]

The purpose of that restriction is to limit rate if incoming foreign workers.

These ones are already here. Like I said, emergency issue. It implies "not normal policy" by definition of what an emergency *is*.

[Frumple]

Hell... can they accept donations? Some kind of charity effort that funnels cash in might be a possibility. Alternatively one that funnels cash through a special class of immigrant that is given millions/billions of dollars and has immigration fees of similar girth.

[wierd]

Sadly no. Govt agencies cannot solicit or accept such funds.

However, Herr trump will have to authorize a big assed check regardless. It is not a cost free exercise to arrest, detain, process, and export millions of people.

[Frumple]

Maybe, but it literally can't be to the USCIS. They're congressionally mandated to self-fund :V

[martinuzz]

Sadly no. Govt agencies cannot solicit or accept such funds.

However, Herr trump will have to authorize a big assed check regardless. It is not a cost free exercise to arrest, detain, process, and export millions of people.

inb4 Trump sells all illegal immigrants to China to fund their deportation

[Frumple]

Going rate in fees is something like $600 per person, IIRC.

... now here's a question. What's the cost for deportation?

[Baffler]

Sadly no. Govt agencies cannot solicit or accept such funds.

However, Herr trump will have to authorize a big assed check regardless. It is not a cost free exercise to arrest, detain, process, and export millions of people.

I guess it'd come down to whichever one costs more. Though it's worth remembering that nobody who wants to deport all the illegal immigrants really cares about how bad it'll be for the poor poor agribusinesses and construction companies that'll suffer financially because they can no longer get away with breaking the law to give their employees criminally low wages and protections. The vast majority of those would see your emergency work visa plan as amnesty with a different name.

[wierd]

In the past few months, I managed to land a contractor gig. I could finance two a month at my new rate of pay. If I had reasonable assurances that this is indeed where the contribution was going ( and not some federal tennis court or similar misdeed), I would have no problem getting people started the right way, down the right road on such an installment plan.

The problem is that govt is pathologically averse to such rigid spending control.

Baffler: work visas are explicitly NOT amnesty.

1) they can be rescinded for violation of rules
2) fees are paid to process
3) it would require them to be paid min wage, unlike amnesty.

It takes time to process them all. That is time for these industries to adapt.

Deportation will hurt them much more. This way they retain the training investments, and keep qualified labor. They just can't cheat them any longer.

[wierd]

A contracting economy will also, them and others too.

All tabled options present harm. Which of the two, causes least? That's why I would choose it.

[Frumple]

So... 1, 2, 3, nothing would change, they'd be paying more taxes they get little to nothing from, and the work they previously had either can't or won't be able to keep them hired. Um.

And yeah, what isp said. Longer processing time if nothing else, and there's no guarantee of that nothing else.

Maybe if the government would actually pay for it, but it's hard to see that as particularly likely, particularly under GOP majority.

[wierd]

It is less damaging than cold turkey. There is not a magic bullet for this.