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[Max™]

I had to read that a few times before I realized that I was trying to assign too much intent to decipher "Pro-LiferGate" instead of "profligate" or something along those lines.

[mainiac]

Seriously...let's get some perspective here.

You dont say "hey, I'm not going to bother to catch this pop fly, we're ahead by one run and I think our team is better so we'll probably win anyway."  And you dont kill a day of positive press.

I had to read that a few times before I realized that I was trying to assign too much intent to decipher "Pro-LiferGate" instead of "profligate" or something along those lines.

:p  How do hands work?

[Max™]

I was seriously trying to figure out if I had missed some weird democrat-abortion-controversy or something, fucked with me hard for a bit.

[Rolepgeek]

I see two possibilities and I dont know which one scares me more.  Maybe Bernie Sanders is so fucking clueless about politics he doesn't know what optics and message discipline is.  Or maybe Bernie Sanders cares so much about his bruised ego that he had to maximize damage to democrats just to be an extra big asshole to DWS.

I have question, mainiac.

Do you see Republicans as the Enemy?

[birdy51]

Methinks you're being a bit hard on Sanders. It's not his fault that Debbie showed bias toward Hillary. Him thus wanting to speak up about it is completely within the realm of reasonableness.

[Frumple]

The perspective is it's a 24 hour gift to trump that could have not been given, and that's reason enough to be at least a bit irritated, nevermind what it says about sanders' political competence.

It's not as bad as Cruz did but he is still ratfucking his own team... if it even is his own team.

It being his own team was pretty questionable from the start, and it's kinda' been becoming increasingly so as the primary's gone on. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if he goes back to being independent at some point soon, for all that would say some damn nasty things about his actions during this election cycle.

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I... do have to say I liked bernie a fair bit more before this primary happened, and I was fairly aware of the guy for a while beforehand, which is a hell of a thing considering how much attention I pay to politics most of the time. However poor the democrat party's treatment of him has been (and I'd say it's really damn questionable it's actually been particularly poor, considering everything and as near as I've been able to tell), his interaction with the party (and to a fair extent its electorate by extension) has been pretty bloody scummy, and this has just kinda' cemented that.

It's caused me to lose a hell of a lot of respect for the guy's character and a significantly larger amount for his competence as a politician. He may make a decent demagogue or ideologue, but he seems like a pretty piss poor leader at this point, t'me. Still kinda' okay with him being around trying to push discussion leftward, but I definitely don't want to see him doing anything more important than being on the senate, and it's definitely reaching the point I'm getting real hopeful a better person for shifting the narrative comes along in short order

S'just... damnit, bernie. I kinda' wanted to vote for you, when the primaries started. Did, even, for all it was mostly your average protest-ish vote. Now I kinda' regret it. I didn't want to regret it.

[mainiac]

Methinks you're being a bit hard on Sanders. It's not his fault that Debbie showed bias toward Hillary. Him thus wanting to speak up about it is completely within the realm of reasonableness.

Bias?  She lobbied the Clinton campaign for more debates.  The Sanders people knew this an still told his supporters the DNC was trying to prevent debates.  And what did Debbie do?  She kept her mouth shut because that's the fucking rules.  She personally made sure that Sanders got a full slate of delegates in Nevada.  And the Sanders campaign thanked her by going on TV and accusing her of rigging the Nevada caucus.  And what did Debbie do?  She kept her mouth shut.

If this was any other politician on earth right now by Sanders the story by now would be "Christ, what an asshole."  I'm dont doubt that Debbie was pissed at Sanders.  But she took tangible, concrete steps to give him the assistance he deserved while his campaign was fucking with her personally.  You can't say "she broke the rules" because she liked Clinton and didn't like him.  The DNC isn't not allowed to have feelings, they just aren't allowed to rig the race.

We just got a peer behind the curtain and part of what we saw was people saying how frustrating it was because the Sanders people keep repeating stories they know aren't true and they want to talk back but their bosses say that's unacceptable.

[birdy51]

Whatever they wish to say, they may say. That doesn't excuse other areas of her tenure. You yourself have admitted this. If he has been wronged, which he has, he has a right to speak up for it. Whether or not this makes you unhappy is irrelevant to me.

Party collusion be damned, if you're a Republican or a Democrat and have been wronged by a fellow in your party, you should be able to take a stand on it. This applies to Debbie too, should she find Bernie's offence misplaced.

[smjjames]

Methinks you're being a bit hard on Sanders. It's not his fault that Debbie showed bias toward Hillary. Him thus wanting to speak up about it is completely within the realm of reasonableness.

Bias?  She lobbied the Clinton campaign for more debates.  The Sanders people knew this an still told his supporters the DNC was trying to prevent debates.  And what did Debbie do?  She kept her mouth shut because that's the fucking rules.

And yet she scheduled them in a way that clearly advantaged Clinton. Heck O'Malley pointed that out as well.

She personally made sure that Sanders got a full slate of delegates in Nevada.  And the Sanders campaign thanked her by going on TV and accusing her of rigging the Nevada caucus.  And what did Debbie do?  She kept her mouth shut.

Didn't know about that one (Nevada Caucus was a mess anyway through no fault of Debbies). Yet she shafted him with the rules committee, at first.

[mainiac]

If he has been wronged, which he has, he has a right to speak up for it.

Yes but you see the thing was he wasn't wronged.  He made incredibly specific accusations and they were bullshit.
-His campaign said after the Nevada caucus that it was rigged.  This was thoroughly debunked.  And yet god knows we wont stop repeating it because who gives a shit about the truth when fighting the evil establishment?
-His campaign said that the DNC was trying to minimize exposure through the debates.  Thanks to these emails we know the DNC was pushing for more debates.  But do you thank the DNC?  No, you just ignore the facts and blame them for something they didn't commit.

[mainiac]

Party collusion be damned, if you're a Republican or a Democrat and have been wronged by a fellow in your party, you should be able to take a stand on it. This applies to Debbie too, should she find Bernie's offence misplaced.

Yes, this is why Bernie Sanders should be punished.  Glad to see you agree.

[birdy51]

And yet, she resigns. Funny how that works I guess, this whole punishing Bernie idea.

[mainiac]

And yet, she resigns. Funny how that works I guess, this whole punishing Bernie idea.

Yeah I know, it's crazy, right?  You can cheat and lie and the other people get punished.  Gee, wasn't there a politican who was really angry about that?  Whatever happened to that guy?

[birdy51]

Alright, I apologize if you're getting upset. Shall we drop the subject?

[mainiac]

Alright, I apologize if you're getting upset. Shall we drop the subject?

Hey bro, I feel sorry if you are so thin skinned you feel the need to make apologies that blame the other side.  It's too bad for you.

I would much rather you do one of the following:

A) Provide a specific instance of wrongdoing.  You have 20,000 emails worth of evidence.  Provide actual documentation of an actual specific action that is against the rules.  Not something you dont like.  Not a tough break for a candidate.  Something that is actual clear cut bias.
B) Stop stating these accusations as facts