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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1393561 times)

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10815 on: November 09, 2016, 01:05:57 pm »

Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

It really doesn't help that
A) Trump has been quite overt about it...
and
B) The difference is night and FREEKEN DAY! between Homophobic Conservatives and Homophobic Liberals. There are more homophobic conservatives then there are indifferent Liberals.

The number 1 Trump supporter is a gay guy who only dates black people
im not racist, i have black friends!
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10816 on: November 09, 2016, 01:06:01 pm »

Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

It really doesn't help that
A) Trump has been quite overt about it...
and
B) The difference is night and FREEKEN DAY! between Homophobic Conservatives and Homophobic Liberals. There are more homophobic conservatives then there are indifferent Liberals.

The number 1 Trump supporter is a gay guy who only dates black people

And there is probably a Neo-Nazi who once killed a man who avidly supports Hillary.

Crazy all over. It is one of the major reasons why the Gun legislation crisis was so botched... because the news only let the crazy gun nuts on the air.

Yeah, but there's also a world of difference between homophobic conservatives and general conservatives. Probably, maybe, have fun finding statistics.

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10817 on: November 09, 2016, 01:06:44 pm »

Funny how suddenly all the conservatives are coming out of the woodwork to post.

It'll be interesting how Trump's business sense works out as President. One big difference between being a CEO vs President is externalities.

i.e a CEO can take actions to get a "bigger slice of the pie", even when said actions also shrink the entire pie, and come out ahead. e.g. say I own a toll road then decide I can jack up the toll to make more money. Now I have more money, but traffic is decreased, so every other business along that road is now losing money, potentially even more money than I made through the action of raising the toll.

A CEO doesn't need to worry about what economic effect his actions have on people around him while a President does. e.g. sacking government workers "saves money" the same as sacking corporate workers. Except those same workers can now turn around and claim unemployment benefits from their ex-employer, and the government loses out any revenue/savings that accrued from the economic input that their paycheck / job was creating.

Well, he was pretty horrible as a CEO...
And yet is very rich and successful.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10818 on: November 09, 2016, 01:07:59 pm »

And yet is very rich and successful.
Every entrepreneur has more failures than successes, it's called practice and experimentation.
This is what bothers me when people say that Trump is a complete retard unfit to be a president. I mean, yeah, from moral point of view, proably, but idiots simply aren't millionaries (except the cases when the idiots live off someone smart that has money, Paris Hilton or something). The fact that he went bankrupt few times and still has shitton of money makes me thing that he might actually really know what he's doing.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10819 on: November 09, 2016, 01:08:22 pm »

Yeah whatever "facts" 9_9

Guess its ok for you to insult people, but god help yah if anything gets thrown back at you.
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« Reply #10820 on: November 09, 2016, 01:08:42 pm »

KISSENGER supported Hillary.

That and the way the DNC treated Bernie is why I held my nose high and voted Trump.

Funny how suddenly all the conservatives are coming out of the woodwork to post.

It'll be interesting how Trump's business sense works out as President. One big difference between being a CEO vs President is externalities.

i.e a CEO can take actions to get a "bigger slice of the pie", even when said actions also shrink the entire pie, and come out ahead. e.g. say I own a toll road then decide I can jack up the toll to make more money. Now I have more money, but traffic is decreased, so every other business along that road is now losing money, potentially even more money than I made through the action of raising the toll.

A CEO doesn't need to worry about what economic effect his actions have on people around him while a President does. e.g. sacking government workers "saves money" the same as sacking corporate workers. Except those same workers can now turn around and claim unemployment benefits from their ex-employer, and the government loses out any revenue/savings that accrued from the economic input that their paycheck / job was creating.

Well, he was pretty horrible as a CEO...
And yet is very rich and successful.
Every entrepreneur has more failures than successes, it's called practice and experimentation.


Does every Entrepreneur engage in fraud to make money as well? Trump University, perhaps?

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Best you got? Those pesky "facts" again....

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10821 on: November 09, 2016, 01:11:02 pm »

Ohhh... Uhh nevermind..

I got my statistics wrong... on... Conservative issues.

Yeah whatever "facts" 9_9

Guess its ok for you to insult people, but god help yah if anything gets thrown back at you.

I am not actually trying to insult Conservatives here.

I am only saying that there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE gulf between how Liberals and Conservatives see issues...

ESPECIALLY issues involving Homosexuality and Race...

And Polarizing topics do not sensible discussion make.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10822 on: November 09, 2016, 01:11:58 pm »

A yuuuuge gap you could even say
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10823 on: November 09, 2016, 01:12:38 pm »

And yet is very rich and successful.
Every entrepreneur has more failures than successes, it's called practice and experimentation.
This is what bothers me when people say that Trump is a complete retard unfit to be a president. I mean, yeah, from moral point of view, proably, but idiots simply aren't millionaries (except the cases when the idiots live off someone smart that has money, Paris Hilton or something). The fact that he went bankrupt few times and still has shitton of money makes me thing that he might actually really know what he's doing.
That's because Trump's business strategy is to slide himself into an organization as a hype man and cannibalize it for his own benefit, then drop the whole thing once he needs to jump ship.

This man is now functionally in charge of the United States government.
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« Reply #10824 on: November 09, 2016, 01:13:03 pm »

I suspect I'm probably less outraged over this because I, unlike a majority of folks here, have an out.

Ironically enough that out's very relevance to me should be the reason why I should be more terrified, not less, but eh. If it comes to that I can just leave (that being my out; I'm Canadian, and hold Canadian citizenship, so I can just go to Canada and not look back).
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10825 on: November 09, 2016, 01:13:45 pm »

Yeah whatever "facts" 9_9

Guess its ok for you to insult people, but god help yah if anything gets thrown back at you.

Do you have anything to actually say other than "neener neener?" If you're just here to do a victory lap say so, so we can ignore you.

As for how did Trump get so successful.....you all realize he inherited the majority of his wealth from his father and most of his money comes from licensing his name right?
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« Reply #10826 on: November 09, 2016, 01:14:54 pm »

A yuuuuge gap you could even say

It is kind of weird when I looked it up because they are actually divided rather cleanly.

If you took the percent of Conservatives who are for Gay Marriage... They are equal to the size of Liberals who are against it. (Assuming my research is accurate)

So... How would a Liberal see an entire group of people who are set against Gay Marriage? Probably not "They just want to protect the sanctity of marriage and not mire the present in secular nonsense".

Then we get Trump who doesn't use the rhetoric or the typical justifications. Why should we get rid of illegal immigrants? Because they are evil!
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« Reply #10827 on: November 09, 2016, 01:15:16 pm »

Yeah whatever "facts" 9_9

Guess its ok for you to insult people, but god help yah if anything gets thrown back at you.

Do you have anything to actually say other than "neener neener?" If you're just here to do a victory lap say so, so we can ignore you.

As for how did Trump get so successful.....you all realize he inherited the majority of his wealth from his father and most of his money comes from licensing his name right?
And his name is licensable because?
Leave the misinformation at the door.  :-\
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10828 on: November 09, 2016, 01:15:51 pm »

No it was an inflamitory insult 98% of the time

For like the last four to eight years its just been conservatives are racist
Conservatives hate the poor
Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah
Depends on where you look, tbh. It's not like there hasn't been hella' outreach to traditionally conservative groups. It's been constant for years; said it earlier, democrat outreach and programs are about the only thing actually trying to help a lot of them. The conservative media in particular haven't been reporting on that, obviously enough, but about the only groups that haven't been getting attention from democrat efforts are, y'know, the actual bigots, people actually trying to further ruin the poor, and so on. Which they can't really do much about. There's no common ground, and they're not going to listen over the course of a few years. Few decades, maybe, but that's kinda' been happening.

Bigger thing as it goes is that the actual bigots, people trying to ruin the poor, and so on, have been getting increasing influence and control of conservative media and political apparatus. Makes the whole process significantly more difficult. Hard to talk to conservatives when they're letting the folks they are be their gatekeepers and representatives.

As for the money thing. It's been noted repeatedly he's almost certainly been underperforming simple safe investment -- the same sort of thing he's insulted and claimed he was better than. Good chunk of actually competent businessfolk have commented on his business acuity, and it's rarely been flattering. That he's done as well as he has (which, again, is probably worse than if he had done nothing but invested the money and chilled) in spite of his business competence. It's been other people pulling his ass out the fires he got himself in, with a side of people actually trusting him and the expected happening.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #10829 on: November 09, 2016, 01:16:09 pm »

That's a good quote from Clinton's concession speech - "Never stop believing that fighting for what’s right is worth it." One to remember over the next while.
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