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[Spehss _]

Watching a stream of Fox waiting to cover Trump's victory speech. They're reporting that Podesta will be making a statement from the Clinton campaign, but Clinton will not be available to speak tonight. Podesta's on.

[Wolfhunter107]

Well, at least there is one bright spot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/joe-arpaio-arizona-sheriff.html

[Shakerag]

Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.

Dunno anything about him, but I didn't know anything about Bush's VP either and he turned out to be literal Emperor Palpatine. So... anything's possible, I guess.

Pence is kind of a dick, apparnetly

[Shakerag]

Well, at least there is one bright spot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/joe-arpaio-arizona-sheriff.html

Holy shit.  I thought the only way that guy would leave office is feet first.  Good riddance.

[DJ]

I wonder how many SJWs are having aneurysms right about now.

If there's one good thing to come out of this, this is it.

[Spehss _]

Alright so Fox is reporting that Pennsylvania may not be going to Trump, there's still votes to count and it's still close. Basically reporting that on every close state. It may not be over.

[Neonivek]

Hmm... I am thinking of the whole "Having things be so bad it returns you back to sense doesn't work" in context...

Which the only context I have is Argentina which had two particularly disastrous elections one after the other... Yeah...

The only time I can think of an election being so disastrous that it actually shocked a country into being a better person... was... far FAR FAAAAAAR more disastrous then even I'd ever wish on someone even if I psychically knew it would lead to a better country.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

In good local news, NC Governor Pat "Bathroom Cops" McCrory is fuckin out in spite of a lackluster opponent and a half-percent sales tax is now being committed to a 10-year public transit plan.

[Malus]

Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.

Mass hysteria aside, I'll keep saying it over and over again: Trump is less dangerous than the establishment GOP politicians. He's been played up by the media as Literally Hitler, and yeah, the stuff he says is not reassuring. But... he doesn't believe he's on a mission from God to purge the gays. He doesn't want to turn the USA into a theocracy.

Narcissists don't scare me. It's the guys who think God speaks to them, that they have some greater purpose. Those are the scary ones.

[Neonivek]

Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.

Mass hysteria aside, I'll keep saying it over and over again: Trump is less dangerous than the establishment GOP politicians. He's been played up by the media as Literally Hitler, and yeah, the stuff he says is not reassuring. But... he doesn't believe he's on a mission from God to purge the gays. He doesn't want to turn the USA into a theocracy.

Narcissists don't scare me. It's the guys who think God speaks to them, that they have some greater purpose. Those are the scary ones.

My issue with a Trump Presidency is his economic policies anyhow.

I don't believe he will build a wall (because that is stupid... as soon as he gets the cost estimate he will back off) AND I believe banning Islam has the constitution in the way.

Plus Trump's own party is working against him to reign him in.

But that dang economic policies are terrible >_<... So much so that I almost believe they are a time bomb so that the US is thrust into good economic times until he leaves office (a presidential strategy I LOATHE!... but is completely legitimate and people fall for it constantly)

[DJ]

I think this'll show just how little effect the president has on daily life of the average American.

[Interus]

Maybe I'm just vulnerable to political rhetoric, but after listening to the debates, I really wanted Clinton to win. Like, even knowing that she's too conservative for me, and that her party robbed Sanders, I think she makes a lot of good points and would be genuinely good for the country, even if she wouldn't push goals I want as hard as i want. She actually seems like a good candidate to me, and then people are saying "She's bad, but not as bad as Trump" or has been calling her a traitor, and that's all I see online.

[Aklyon]

Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.

Dunno anything about him, but I didn't know anything about Bush's VP either and he turned out to be literal Emperor Palpatine. So... anything's possible, I guess.

Pence is kind of a dick, apparnetly

What did we do to deserve this as a VP candidate.

[MrRoboto75]

Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.

Dunno anything about him, but I didn't know anything about Bush's VP either and he turned out to be literal Emperor Palpatine. So... anything's possible, I guess.

Pence is kind of a dick, apparnetly

What did we do to deserve this as a VP candidate.

Vote for Trump

[Frumple]

Considering the currently presumptive VP has stated support for plans to reducing funding for HIV research in order to fund LGBT torture camps, it's entirely too bloody understandable.

What the hell, source? Never heard anything like this.

Here's one. If you're less aware of how incredibly fucked up some of our conservatives are on LGBT rights, conversion therapy generally boils down to torture of one sort or another. It has a history of literally killing people, and driving more to suicide. Pence supports this. Trump chose him as his VP. The GOP has put their vote behind him even if they didn't put their full support. LGBT folks have a goddamn good reason to be worried right now. They're watching the country come out in droves for people that are supporting bastards that have advocated for fucking killing them.

As for the more general problem, he's going to be supporting republican measures. The republican platform on LGBT rights was noted as one of the worst in decades this cycle for a sodding reason. And GOP stance on shit like states rights and LGBT issues is so deeply goddamn hypocritical it's barely worth talking about. If we're not going to have to fight federal measures to strip LGBT rights regardless of state stances on them in the next few years I am going to be deeply, deeply surprised. If you give a single damn about that particular minority in this country pray to whatever god is listening we'll actually be able to fight it when it comes.

I don't see how that sends the message that party affiliation trumps everything, though. Like I said, not even his own party wanted him to win.

And yet they voted for him. Endorsed him even as they denounced him. Sent the message that no matter if you bloody hate the guy on every level, if he's got an R he's got your vote.

And no, it wasn't all about brown skins and illegals. Note I said abso-fucking-lutely everything. The nationalism and bigotry was one hand. The absolute lack of honesty on any front was the other. The republican party now has explicit proof they don't need proof of anything, they just need to lie loud enough and long enough. That's the message they've been given.