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[thoushaltcallmelars]

So apparently the past two fortresses I've started have no civilizations except the chosen dwarven one, despite having land connections to everything. There's a huge overlapping mess of pits, towns, hippie communes, and even mountainhomes all over the south of the map (which happens to be Cold and/or Freezing), yet apparently my fortresses decided that nobody gets in except their home civ, ever.

In short, all civilization is concentrated in the south of the map - I can't find anything north of the Cold-Temperate line except mountainhomes in the major mountains. I'm wondering if there's anything that can block civilization spread other than the sea?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Anything stopping you putting down a fortress in the South? You'll only get merchants/siegers from the civs listed as neighbors when you choose your embark location.

[zazq]

there seems to be something up with 43.03 where sometimes even listed civs won't visit your fortress sometimes.  Its happened twice now where an embark will say goblins but there are no goblins.  Its been 5 years in my current favorite world, and no goblins. 

is this your thing, or did your world simply not list neighbors in the embark list?  Civilizations can only spawn within particular locations during world gen.  After they spawn they can spread out into other biomes, but the starting conditions are something like:

Dwarves: Non-evil, Non-savage Mountains.
Humans: Non-evil, Non-savage Grassland or Shrubland.
Elves: Non-evil, Non-benign forests.
Goblins: Non-good,
Kobolds: non-good caves.

Lots of races can't spawn in savage locations.  maybe your world is savage at the top?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Goblins being present doesn't mean they'll attack. Did you reach the population trigger (80) yet? Are they busy attacking other places? Does the local pits have a population of 6 farmers? All reasons they may not turn up.

[thoushaltcallmelars]

I mean when I hit [c] while playing the fortress, I only see a dwarf civ, and only the dwarven caravan comes. Goblins don't send snatchers, either.

And yeah, my region has a lot of savagery (despite leaving the setting untouched). Do savage biomes actually block the spread of civilization (like ocean does) or does it only stop them from settling in the savage biome itself? If it's the former, then that'd be my problem. A pretty annoying one, since the south is so packed with civs that there's little room to actually embark in.

[Shonai_Dweller]

'c' is irrelevant. It only shows the civs who have already visited your fortress.
Snatchers are irrelevant. They're broken right now.

[Fleeting Frames]

Savage biomes stop the settlement of civilizations, are likely to maim them slightly, and massively slow down their spread (by centuries) until the civ can convert them to decidedly non-savage (perhaps simulating killing all the giant animals in worldgen?)

[thoushaltcallmelars]

Huh. So the sheer amount of savage tiles has basically made civilization stagnate...
I'll just gen a new world and make sure it's not too savage, then. Maybe give it a longer history.

Thanks for the answers, all.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Huh. So the sheer amount of savage tiles has basically made civilization stagnate...
I'll just gen a new world and make sure it's not too savage, then. Maybe give it a longer history.

Thanks for the answers, all.

And don't use 'c'. It means nothing.
Use the neighbours view on embark location selection to see if you have neighbours.

[Dunamisdeos]

You have failed me for the last time, World Gen.

[Bumber]

Snatchers are irrelevant. They're broken right now.

During my entire 15 year fort I encountered only one snatcher, sneaking alongside a siege.