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[golemgunk]

whoaa I didn't know planar exploration was on the table for the next batch of releases, I always thought that was a more distant goal.

[FantasticDorf]

Well technically mechanics craftsmen aren't nessecarily scholars but do occupy the field and can take apprentices, but don't really frequent the workshop with any regularity, and only make breakthroughs as current when pushed into a library, maybe the museum will change this but we'll have to see how that pans out. Still a very interesting insight to how you'd go about doing innovations and such.

Ehh more broad range of apprenticeship opportunities (need to enrol cooper *barrel maker* craftsdwarf/carpenter apprentices to learn how to make a pot/barrel with double capacity etc.) or library assigned dwarves leaving & hanging out at their own workshops to do vital research, bringing the relevant materials over when they have a eventual idea on what to make often leading to funny looking failures of half botched decorative prototypes.

• Question for toady, in the later stages of the artifact retrieval groups (post implementation when you might have the opportunity to polish them up/bugsquash or add new things for them to do) will we see the 'tactics' skill reserved usually for military commanders become useful? If you could trust someone to lead a siege & troops successfully, a masterful tactician might be able to co-ordinate some hand picked civilians to survive & approach a dangerous reclaimation target more easily.
  
  > One more question related to the above. Are 'creatures' or dwarves with either natural/acquired sneaking skills (along like factors like size profile, time of day to do the deed etc usually in adventure sneaking menu detail) like civilian gremlins or veteran hunters any better than large creatures/soldiers who can just take the object by force quite bluntly, intimidating or fighting anybody that tries to stop them?

[Max™]

Yeah, I think having camps linked to the default civ as a parent would cover a lot of the desired world-notification/etc behavior (probably end up with adventuring groups trying to raid our camps if we are known to have artifacts there, weee, good luck getting it behind nine firewalls tiles of open space with a pillar to jump out and grab) and I eagerly await seeing what sort of amusing things happen from units checking out their neighbor's bling!

[Hinaichigo]

whoaa I didn't know planar exploration was on the table for the next batch of releases, I always thought that was a more distant goal.

I thought so too.

Anyways thanks Toady!

[Knight Otu]

Thanks for the answers, Toady!

[Daniel the Finlander]

Thanks Toady

So mundane worlds won't have elves or goblins, but will they have dwarves? If not, will fortress mode even be playable, or will we be able to play as humans instead?

[PatrikLundell]

My understanding is that a fully mundane world wouldn't support dwarves, as they rely on fantasy subterranean agriculture, and that you'd have humans only (in which case you'd have to play a human "fortress"). A guess is that there'd be a setting in between the fully mundane and the "normal" (i.e. current) fantasy setting where humans and dwarves existed, but not elves or goblins.
Assuming the above is correct, it would probably be a trivial matter to allow the player to chose between humans and dwarves in fortress mode under the normal setting, given that the fully mundane setting would require a fully functioning human "fortress" (and DF already supports playing non standard races technically by the addition of the appropriate tags, but since they haven't really been implemented for player use, those settlements do not function properly when played).

[Shonai_Dweller]

I think at first, it'll just be adventurer until human sites are playable (meaning, actually playable, not just fake dwarves). To tired to Google fotf reply which mentioned this but it's out there somewhere. Of course the option to turn on humans with dwarf-like tendencies will still exist as a simple mod.

On the other hand (some other fotf reply) 'full fantasy', which also won't feature dwarves, may try to produce a similar underground fortress dwelling race so you can enjoy the site game with them.

Eventually all sites will be playable (and the concept of the 'site' may have evolved quite a bit).

[FantasticDorf]

I think at first, it'll just be adventurer until human sites are playable (meaning, actually playable, not just fake dwarves). To tired to Google fotf reply which mentioned this but it's out there somewhere. Of course the option to turn on humans with dwarf-like tendencies will still exist as a simple mod.

On the other hand (some other fotf reply) 'full fantasy', which also won't feature dwarves, may try to produce a similar underground fortress dwelling race so you can enjoy the site game with them.

Eventually all sites will be playable (and the concept of the 'site' may have evolved quite a bit).

Building at the moment is a little unorthodox, a lot of raw materials without workshop multiplication (multiple blocks per resource) like what's on stone would mean you would need to embark on a large forest just to keep a bit of material to build a few wooden houses & a storage area aboveground thats covered.

The food systems like Patrick point out also rely on underground/overground muddy farms favours the underground for being very easy. Compared to aboveground that needs tricky water engineering (for novices or people without a plan anyway) just to get the mud down on the ground then use the crops before in the 3 months max of planning it might take, rogue hamsters dont bite through the wooden barrels.

[Inarius]

I hope with this good news we will have a release before september ! That would be cool.

Toady, with the artifact release, have you an idea of the future version number ? 

[Rubik]

I hope with this good news we will have a release before september ! That would be cool.

Toady, with the artifact release, have you an idea of the future version number ? 

Well man, I hope we do actually get an update before that. It doesnt seem like he has much work left before finishing it

[Knight Otu]

I hope with this good news we will have a release before september ! That would be cool.

Toady, with the artifact release, have you an idea of the future version number ? 

Presumably the next version will be 0.44.01 or 0.45.01 depending on how Toady weighs the big additions of the release.

And yeah, while the release is probably more than a month away, September is a rather pessimistic guess.

[Random_Dragon]

With how inexplicably ambitious this release keeps getting, I'll be happy with a 2017 release, period. o3o

[Rockphed]

With how inexplicably ambitious this release keeps getting, I'll be happy with a 2017 release, period. o3o

My understanding is that Toady is between half and 2/3 done.  I predict a release before May.

[Inarius]

September is a rather pessimistic guess.

There will be a group a release beginning in...July, I'd say, with some bugs, until it works. And I think this will be September when it will really work.
September is not so far, actually. If you add just one element "outside" of the Artifact arc (which is, frankly, not so unbelievable, is it ?), this is at least +2 months.
I'll be there to quote myself to prove I'm right !