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[Rubik]

The "severed part flies off in an arc" mechanic could take on whole new significance, as a "chunk" several tiles wide flies off and crashes into something.

I expect it would be quite spectacular, and add new dangers to close combat.

Might take a few goes to get through something particularly dense like a cyclops's or bronze collossus's arm (even sperm whale men might be mighty tough, which begs the question would animalmen need a rework too?)

The bones would be MASSIVE, the arm comes crashing off

Yeah, all non 1-tile creatures should have bonus and animation for movements, be them movement or combat moves or wiggling tails. In 1 tile creatures, position and stances are calculated, thats why certain atacks to certain body parts are sometimes easier, but with multitiles creatures, you may have to be positioned in a certain spot to atack it, or to any action in general(mounting a horse, for example)
The whole thing opens looots of new content and things to consider.
Scaling strenghth with size would make certain animals godlike
Animations, timing atacks, reducing size of a body part with atacks without completely severing, etc.

[Calidovi]

I think falling impacts are still kind of weird.
Logs falling from multiple z-levels note in the the reports "there is no force", but cave-ins decimate dwarves even from one z level under.

[Rubik]

I think falling impacts are still kind of weird.
Logs falling from multiple z-levels note in the the reports "there is no force", but cave-ins decimate dwarves even from one z level under.

Well, yeah, all the phisycs could use a little rehaul, thats why we have ways to obtain infinite energy in the game, for example

[Fleeting Frames]

Water reactors aside, infinite energy sources, be they geo, hydro, solar, wind or magic aren't much of a problem in the timescale of DF, and are something of a staple.

[Sorgklaan]

Multi-tile creatures sound very awkward to me, how would they be represented? Would it be restrictive to modders? would larger creatures simply take up two or four tiles instead of one?

Is there even really a reason for it?

[Rubik]

Multi-tile creatures sound very awkward to me, how would they be represented? Would it be restrictive to modders? would larger creatures simply take up two or four tiles instead of one?

Is there even really a reason for it?

Like many of the things Toady wants to add, its a combination of ''this is neat and realistic'' and '' its fricking cool''

We were discussing how would they appear in the game before. Some think that a big animal would be represented using its simbol for each animal part, and Some (like me) are more fond of using different simbols for each body part.
I figure it would be a really big expansion to modders, as you could create bigger and more tangible body parts, like for example, an actual empty stomach were you fall after a dragon devours you (if he doesnt rip you apart, of course) that consists of real space were you can walk on, and designate certain acids to be produced non-stop, inside the belly, things awesome in that line

What do you know, the last part is actually an expected feature
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Consolidated_development
Look on powergoal number 89

[FantasticDorf]

Multi-tile creatures sound very awkward to me, how would they be represented? Would it be restrictive to modders? would larger creatures simply take up two or four tiles instead of one?

Is there even really a reason for it?

Its pretty far off as of the moment, the zach brothers had a prototype model for it if my memory serves.

Everything functionally works at the moment with single tile, and even having height represented via the same icon on 2 z levels for shared space will  probably technical wise be as radical as it goes until something is sorted out properly. Still yet to be decided and realised.

Question for toady - I've been going over some of the stories detailed in the ASCII rewards section, all very interesting since they dont appear to be mentioned very much in df discussion/questions, i've noticed that particularly it mentions giant 'magical' eggs, hatching with relation to gods and pet ownership issues - Providing the magical effects (In a press conference a egg was described as a magic object not so long ago) are not varied would this imply that primordial beasts/forgotten beasts/resulting hatchlings could be a creation myth/magical object manifestable event and claimed (or summarily let loose/tamed) by a civilisation as a artifact object/posession?

Spoiler: Dutchling's ASCII art reward story (click to show/hide)

Dutchling[edit]
(3 March 2011)[edit]

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Lightning bolts rained down from the sky as the storm god Domin released his fury upon the world. Hardest it fell on the dwarf fortress, but no meteor, no matter how powerful, could keep the little ones down. King Ibruk stood upon the wall of the dwarven castle, drunk, daring the sky god to strike him down. The other dwarves cowered behind the battlements, none brave enough to pull the king down.

"Lord Ibruk," shouted a voice from lower in the courtyard, "throw not your life away."
(17 February 2014)[edit]

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"Who goes there?" shouted Ibruk.

The wind cleared the clouds of dust from the battered courtyard. Standing there were a trio of brave looking heroes. The elf looked tough, and so did the woman wearing furs of the south people, but most impressive was the dwarf. He was tall for one of his kind, a full span taller than the king at least. He took two steps forward and stared the king in the face, showing no deference to the royal blood.

"The sky god has no interest in taking your life," said the dwarf champion. "Nor does he seek to pound your fortress into rubble. He merely seeks the stolen egg you foolishly bought from the goblins."

"The egg?" asked the king. "What is your name, dwarf?"

"I am Kognar," said the hero, "servant of the sacred forge."

"You are brave indeed to point out folly in your king," said Ibruk. "I will take you to what you seek."

The meteor storm seemed to lessen slightly as the king showed Kognar inside. The elf and woman were forced to wait outside as only dwarves were allowed in the fortress proper. The king led Kognar through a series of winding passages until they reached a small room with a hole in the floor. Heavy breathing could be heard below as if some great monster was kept there.

"The egg hatched the night after it was brought here," said the king to Kognar. "It has devoured every dwarf that has challenged it."
If you like the story there are additional chapters here i haven't disclosed to avoid spoilers

Another quick small question for toady - Also across the ASCII rewards, both Japa's apemen and Gunslinger's night creature minions are based theoretical examples of transformative or using existing creatures as a seemingly literal base to create 'wizard' or magic servants, do all servants require living being to create or can they make them purely out of magic processes/inanimate reagents

[MrWiggles]

If I recall the bigger challenge with multitile creation is AI. Its very hard to make them appreciate their own size, and where they can or can't transverse. The brothers Tarn dont want to introduce dragons, have them trying to pass into a 1 tile wide area, and get poked to death with arrows as it wont consider to fucking go away.

[FantasticDorf]

If I recall the bigger challenge with multitile creation is AI. Its very hard to make them appreciate their own size, and where they can or can't transverse. The brothers Tarn dont want to introduce dragons, have them trying to pass into a 1 tile wide area, and get poked to death with arrows as it wont consider to fucking go away.

Or shock and horror make a horrible amount of FPS lag as it tries to path into your fort until the game dies.

[Max™]

Or most hilariously of all: it does make it into the 1 tile wide area, partially, stripping off the limbs and such, causing it to die afterwards.

[Dirst]

Or most hilariously of all: it does make it into the 1 tile wide area, partially, stripping off the limbs and such, causing it to die afterwards.

"I can't believe I did that!  Serious facepalm moment there... Oh dammit I can't even facepalm!"

[wierd]

That should depend on the creature type, no?

Giant octopus, for instance, can fit through any gap the size of its beak.  It could squeeze down your hallways and extend a tentacle down a corner hallway. Possibly several.

At once.

[Calidovi]

bronze colossus = kool aid man

[Rubik]

That should depend on the creature type, no?

Giant octopus, for instance, can fit through any gap the size of its beak.  It could squeeze down your hallways and extend a tentacle down a corner hallway. Possibly several.

At once.

bronze colossus = kool aid man

Well that's pretty scary

[FantasticDorf]

Just need crystal glass dense skin and fruit juice blood now i guess.

Thinking about it, if it was a material property factor as well, dark towers made out of slade would be the utmost safest place to hide because they are unmovable spare structurally taking it apart laboriously piece by piece, if a bronze collossus kicked it at full force it'd probably disjoint its leg.

Also if clowns are towering monstrosities (in which case the circus will have to be reworked) then either by the application of magic to change domestic or just map changes, they probably shouldn't actually fit in the top of dark towers, and they'd be pretty scary and towering over fortresses they are trying to invade. (Good question, how are 2 tile high creatures supposed to get up/down stairs without colliding with the stairs above?)