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[☼Another☼]

I've had true monster hunters show up soon after I broke open the caverns, petition and hunt in the caverns, so I think anyone that doesn't petition is a spy, but if they do they aren't.

[Shonai_Dweller]

It's suspected currently that these visitors are actually exclusively spies.

They're not. You only have to open Legends to check that. Some are spies, some aren't. And yeah, real monster hunters petition right away, so I'm hoping that's WAD.

[Xilian]

Sorry if this has been asked before.
Are there currently any plans to allow civs to go to war with one another over values, rather than only over ethics? This would allow for civs from the same entity raw to go to war with one another. For example humans fighting other humans, which now can only be done by adding a new human entity raw.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Sorry if this has been asked before.
Are there currently any plans to allow civs to go to war with one another over values, rather than only over ethics? This would allow for civs from the same entity raw to go to war with one another. For example humans fighting other humans, which now can only be done by adding a new human entity raw.

Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

[Xilian]

Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.

[KittyTac]

Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.

Artifact hijinks happen during worldgen, too.

[PatrikLundell]

Humans war with each other all the time. Goblins too.
Even my own Wild Dwarves beat each other up.
In fact entities within a single civ even go to war with each other

Probably even more so now that families and their artifact claims have been thrown into the equation.

Did this happen during world gen or after world gen? I'm talking about during world gen.
The only time I've seen humans fight humans was within a civilisation where two different entities of the same civ went to war, as you said. Never have I seen a human civ fight another civ, the only exception being my personal mod where I have three different human raw entities with vastly different ethics, within which they never go to war against civs from the same raw entitity. Same goes for goblins, I see them murder each other but I've yet to see a goblin civilisation go to war with another goblin civilisation. Now I realise that with the artifacts and raids this might change, but I'm speaking during world gen.

Humans go to war against each other frequently during world gen, while elves don't seem to do so.

[Xilian]

Humans go to war against each other frequently during world gen, while elves don't seem to do so.

I don't mean the within civ entities warring against one another, I know those do. I'm talking full on human nation vs human nation warfare. If you can show me an example of that happening in a vanilla game, please show me.

[PatrikLundell]

I haven't checked the entity level at which human fight each other, so I may have seen lower level fighting only.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Yeah, you're right, I don't think I've seen a full-scale civ war between two civs of the same race. But the minor wars prove there's more than just ethics checks going on.

But, like I said, this version has artifact claims and you can certainty provoke full scale dwarf on dwarf action manually. Have to check Legends more to see if it happens in worldgen now.

[Xilian]

Oh yea definitely, this update is definitely a step towards more diverse reasons for war as well. I hope with the mythics release religion will start playing a role in it too. But I think using values as a check for war would be interesting especially in humans civs as its varied per civs, it won't do much for dwarves that have fixed values per civ for example.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Oh yea definitely, this update is definitely a step towards more diverse reasons for war as well. I hope with the mythics release religion will start playing a role in it too. But I think using values as a check for war would be interesting especially in humans civs as its varied per civs, it won't do much for dwarves that have fixed values per civ for example.

A warlike leader effects wars too apparently, so I think there's definitely some value checking going on even if it's just at a personal level (and values range quite a bit from person to person, so that makes more sense).

[Untrustedlife]

Thjere has been a rather active thread on here recently about "the importance of prejudice", while related my question isn't about it exactly. Will we ever get towns that simply don't like strangers in general and will express that? A lot of good stories come from those sorts of villages/towns in fantasy. And in horror (eg, the shadow over innsmouth by hp Lovecraft)

[Shonai_Dweller]

Thjere has been a rather active thread on here recently about "the importance of prejudice", while related my question isn't about it exactly. Will we ever get towns that simply don't like strangers in general and will express that? A lot of good stories come from those sorts of villages/towns in fantasy. And in horror (eg, the shadow over innsmouth by hp Lovecraft)

You know the discussion was started by Toady, right?

But, yeah suspicious villagers (this is a local shop, for local people...) are always cool. It'd most likely not be hard coded though. Villagers with a history of kidnappings naturally becoming more suspicious of strangers is more likely. Off to the suggestions forum.

[RobotFighter7]

Corruption of various sorts has come up in the notes for magic multiple times, but I haven't noticed one particular subject, the corruption of artifacts. Could we see the magical properties of an artifact altered after its creation? For instance, a priest or avatar of a god of death is slain and the artifact scepter that sprays miasma is taken by a fire demon who then corrupts it to instead shoot gouts of flame? Could we see an adventurer's named weapon of mundane origin imbued with magical properties as the result of their interaction/relation to some god, spirit, or demon?