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[griffinpup]

TMS:

Everyone, if your wincon is the same as mine, we should focus on scum instead of third parties.

Just noticed this.  Why'd you make this statement?  Who were you making this statement too?  Why did you force Tiriun to roleclaim?  Was that your goal?  Why force someone else to roleclaim, but not roleclaim yourself?

[griffinpup]

LYNCH LURKING JUICEBOX! LYNCH LURKING JUICEBOX!

Or at least make him participate.  I don't want this show to die.

[FallacyofUrist]

Well okay then.

Deus Asmoth: Would you mind poking juicebox?

[Deus Asmoth]

Votecount:
-TheDarkStar           [ 0]     
-hector13                [ 0]
-Griffinpup               [ 0]
-BlackHeartKabal      [ 0]
-fillipk                    [ 2]: Tiruin, hector13
-Tiruin                    [ 0]
-juicebox                [ 1]: griffinpup
-The Moonlit Shadow[ 1]: FallacyofUrist
-FallacyofUrist         [ 2]: TheDarkStar, TheMoonlitShadow

Juicebox has been poked

[griffinpup]

Everyone:

You see, my Wincon is simply that there are no Mafia roles left alive. So if the entire town was SK'd, if it did not interrupt the lynching of scum, I would be fine with it.

Dustan (who is now dead) wanted to lynch all third parties.  I do not.  Where do you stand on that spectrum?

[fillipk]

I'm voting FoU unless there is some sort of vote manipulation.

Spoiler: Proof because this post is ridiculously long. (click to show/hide)

Unvote

3. It has context with FoU and Filipk. FoU targeted Filipk, I know that, and Filipk says he targeted Dustan. So what happened was that FoU targeted Dustan, but he was roleblocked by Filipk.

Hilarious however at the same time I claimed to have been roleblocked so I can't have roleblocked FoU.  Thank you for revealing as the redirector though.

... The Moonlit Shadow, methinks you lie. Last night, I was told my target was changed. With PURPLE MAGIC in the flavor.

Explain that, HMMMM???

Same, Probably TMS's ability, which from what he's saying redirects the target to the person that their target is targeting which means you FoU, have a killing role and tried to kill me.  Unless someone else wants to claim to have targeted Dustan with a killing role.

Since this might be a bit confusing I'll try to explain it better.
A is me
B is FoU
C is TMS
D is Dustan

B targeted A who targeted D
C targeted B which made them target D and A target B
Now A is targeting B who is targeting D

D ended up dead so that means B has a killing power and was going to use it on me or someone else targeted Dustan

fillipk

If you don't think that TBF is suspicious, who would you go after then, Fillipk?

Because I would be bandwagoning.  When someone else doesn't call outdone thing I find suspicious then I'll vote but until then it's bandwagoning.  Especially on the first day.

Now this is interesting to me. Like hector said,  it's like you were expecting a different question. I'd like to see your answer  to Dustan's question

Exactly the question I read was "If you think TBF is suspicious why didn't you vote them". I'll answer the actually question in a bit I just didn't want to forget about it.

Why was it so hard to answer the question just there? You went out of your way to post it, how hard to you need to think up an answer for something that should be quite simple?

My target was Dustan and since he was dead I had to pick someone else.  I answered the question in a post along with other quotes from me reviewing day 1 so I could figure out who I trusted the least that was still alive.

Mod: Are there any third parties?

Now, that would be telling.

Third parties confirmed, my role is now worthless.

So this makes me curious, since nothing in his role talks about third parties but its probably just some misdirection.

He's scum. What else do you think he was doing?

I still think its impotent to bring this up so everyone can see the contradiction and react to it, but yeah just some mafia misdirection

Hector: I think you are reading into it too much. he asked if we believed the entire player list all had power roles initially. I already told him that it was false (due to my role) and thus answered his question for everyone.

Also with this being confirmed false that makes 6 (probably seven) people out of ten with power roles, since there are 8 of us left, I have already claimed, at least two of us have powers because they targeted me, there is at least one more mafia left, probably an evil third party too (maybe they killed the mafia), and the two dead people that leaves a potential 3 people without powers.

There are 9 of us left. You also seem to be discounting that the mafia and/or mafia-ally/malignant third-party targeted you, meaning you're jumping to conclusions. There could be more PRs, there could be less. Either way, there is not enough information in the game to come to solid conclusion just yet.

How is knowing how many PRs are in the game useful?

Why do you think it's useful to speculate on that rather than put pressure on folk?

Question 1: It was an intro into me putting pressure on you about your claim on not having a power and being the only one to claim that at the moment
Question 2: Speculation into pressure so people could see my thought process and point out where it might be flawed, thank you for doing that.

Is there anyone except Dustan who isn't a power role?

I'm Spartacus sans power role.

So Hector do you want too stick by this statement?

Yup.

All these quotes feel very active lurky to me.

Okay, I still think you are lying or at least telling a half truth, would you mind sharing some role flavor or something like that to convince me that you aren't trying to hide a detrimental power from the town.

How so?

Also, I forgot to mention that someone apparently sped my action up last night (it's briefly mentioned in the results of the night).

Can you explain a bit more. Do you mean that they sped up your action in the action order or where you targeted by Dustan's accelerate last night?

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

I'm posting from phone so I'm not even going to try to respond to anything yet, except one thing.  Hector just because a post is long doesn't mean it's not formatted.  Sure I don't have a label for everyone I'm responding to which I will start doing but I broke the quotes up and responded to each in particular so stop making the issue a bigger deal than it is.

[hector13]

You did have the quotes you were responding to, as well as everything else in those quotes that had been quoted prior to you quoting it. I'm not making a big deal out of it, I was commenting on the god-awful formatting you did

I will, however, make a big deal out of you thinking that was worth commenting on. Considering one of the things I'm pressuring you over is active lurking, I was hoping you would take it to heart and post content instead of nonsense.

I await - with bated breath - your response to my questions and accusations. I will remind you if you forget.

[Tiruin]

Everyone:

You see, my Wincon is simply that there are no Mafia roles left alive. So if the entire town was SK'd, if it did not interrupt the lynching of scum, I would be fine with it.

Dustan (who is now dead) wanted to lynch all third parties.  I do not.  Where do you stand on that spectrum?

I want to lynch all Mafia. I assume that the Mafia is either scared of dying to an AK or need to be unable to lose as their wincon.

3rd parties are invariably between the gray scale of Town and Mafia extreme wincons--what's a stable variable is that everyone is assumed to be playing to their wincon, so any 3rd parties malevolent to the town are against me; I am for all 3rd parties that are neutrally aligned, given that this disposition stays without motive or agenda (ie "ALIGN WITH MAFIA BECAUSE WINNARS" = against me. :I ).

Because Tiruin isn't a big scum target. Not with that ability of hers. I feel it's good enough that people know what I got.

Yeah uh,
How did you get to this conclusion? And, why am I not a big scum target? :^
And- why did you claim both WATCHER and REVEAL ONTO MY ABILITY again?

Tiruin: Your ability is convoluted. I still can't quite wrap your ability around my head. Maybe... use a flowchart? Please?

:I
Reposting.

Your target's target is redirected to your target. Your target is redirected to your target's target's original target. If your target's target isn't targeting anyone, your target will be blocked. If your target isn't targeting anyone, your action will fail.
A - B - C
A = If action: Yes, affect C
B = If action: Yes, affect A; If non-targeting action: A is blocked (this also includes 'general actions' which are technically 'non-targeted'; if the target has a 2x or multi-target action, one is picked at random); If non-action: MY action fails.
C

= The person I redirect has their action redirected to whomever their target has targeted. [Meaning they act upon an unknown variable unless they're scum--with 'unknown' = 'I targeted this person']
= The person who was acted upon my the person I acted upon, is redirected to my target (the person I redirected).
^! These only come into play IF the person I redirect actually acts.
-- None of these will occur if my target doesn't act. (Basically redirect = fail, just like the basic redirect)
--! IF the person I redirected has their original target not acting, my redirect turns into a ROLEBLOCK (because this is against Asimov's 3 laws of logic...against Newton's paradox of equivalence...illogical to the law of conservation of matter technically, obviously redirecting the person to nowhere given the mechanisms of my power, so it blocks my target instead.)

So BOP Deus Asmoth for the wording. Be glad I can parse this.

Who did you target, seeing as you're being quite forthcoming?

I wrote it down back there. (FallacyOfUrist, A.K.A. FoU)

Extend; could I request a 'day end timer' in every votecount pleasE?

How come everything I say with Tiruin is ignored by everyone else, and everything I say with Filipk and FoU is ignored by Tiruin ;(

Could we get quotes on what you want me to address? I'm lacking time on many things and may miss stuff.
Also you haven't addressed me challenging your accusation of me lying. Did I catch your tongue?

[Tiruin]

PFP.

I was making a point on how we don't have information on other killers and unless they step forward our suspect is FoU.  You are right however I could have asked if there's a Doctor in the house and who they targeted.  However you claim to know there's a Doctor, how do you know this?

Not claiming but technically saying that I'm an unconventional JOAT and technical mason with a dude. :v In which I jest.
But yeah. I know someone who is a doctor (albeit not with the ability Just a 'doctor' in flavor...unsure actually if that's the ability they've got but yeah.) [In which I say it's a bad idea to kill me at the moment]
Unvote
I'm lacking in time so... Could anyone explain the hubbub around FoU, fillipk, TMS, and whatever is going on about people talking about last night other than TMS revealing me? :V
PFP

[juicebox]

Sorry for being inactive, I'll try not to do that again.

So here are my thoughts: I don't really trust Moonlit Shadow. Their posts have been really vague and unclear, they've been avoiding questions, and I don't like the way that she outed tiruin's ability. That being said, most of their information has proven to be good, but Moonlit Shadow is still suspicious to me.

fillipk, on the other hand, is definitely scummy to me. He's been avoiding questions, his posts have been very inconsistent, and he's trying to shoot a probable vig. Therefore my vote will go his way

[juicebox]

EBWOP: also, to answer the second part of griffinpup's question, I'm reading Tiruin and Hector as town

[griffinpup]

Juicebox

Sorry for being inactive, I'll try not to do that again.

So here are my thoughts: I don't really trust Moonlit Shadow. Their posts have been really vague and unclear, they've been avoiding questions, and I don't like the way that she outed tiruin's ability. That being said, most of their information has proven to be good, but Moonlit Shadow is still suspicious to me.

fillipk, on the other hand, is definitely scummy to me. He's been avoiding questions, his posts have been very inconsistent, and he's trying to shoot a probable vig. Therefore my vote will go his way

Proving those statements is normally useful.  Like, quote where he avoided questions, when he claimed his target was vig.  Same goes with points against  Moonlit Shadow.
Speaking of though, what do you mean by most of the information being 'good'?

[TheDarkStar]

I'm lacking in time so... Could anyone explain the hubbub around FoU, fillipk, TMS, and whatever is going on about people talking about last night other than TMS revealing me? :V
PFP

FoU claimed a kill ability after people suspected he had one because he got redirected to Dustan last night. It was also the only kill (there was no scumkill). Now FoU claims vig.

As for the other people, they appear to either be siding with or against him. That leads me to think that lynching FoU will be very useful because it will indicate the alignments of several people. Worst case, we get rid of a vig who shoots randomly.

PPE:

FoU: Who did you intend to target last night?

[FallacyofUrist]

FallacyOfUrist was my target, since information has been tactlessly disclosed, it would benefit the generality if the FoU mentioned his target.

Fillipk.

[Deus Asmoth]

Votecount:
-TheDarkStar           [ 0]     
-hector13                [ 0]
-Griffinpup               [ 0]
-BlackHeartKabal      [ 0]
-fillipk                    [ 2]: hector13, juicebox
-Tiruin                    [ 0]
-juicebox                [ 1]: griffinpup
-The Moonlit Shadow[ 1]: FallacyofUrist
-FallacyofUrist         [ 2]: TheDarkStar, TheMoonlitShadow

Day ends Monday the 1st at 22:00, 46 hours from now.

Votes to extend: 1/5 (Tiruin)