An issue I'm wracking my brain over, and this is with Trump, Brexit, the whole shebang (I've had a few drinks so this is not going to be a fully coherent brain splurge).
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Now, I don't think this, in the long run, is a bad thing.
If it's inevitable, it doesn't matter what we think. Either we will adapt with the times or like the Qing dynasty refusing to adapt, be outdone by those who did
I actually am all for this (why would I work as a computer programmer if I wasn't?). What I'm alarmed by is that the entire Trump/Brexit debacle seems to be fundamentally a platform of protecting and restoring jobs that, quite frankly, cannot be protected or restored. The rust belt will continue to rust, the mines will remain closed, the steelworks will never be unconverted from offices. They are gone, and should remain gone.
Trump and Brexit are not interchangeable, very different phenomena with different needs, challenges and existences. One is a politician, the other is an event
The EU has largely seemed to be acting to limit damage done by this, allowing labour to move around where needed and fill jobs that need filling, providing financial support to allow for areas hit by these inevitable job losses to mitigate the damage done by the deindustrialisation of the western world, providing international regulations that benefit industries like the software industry immensely (the EU's data protection stuff is super useful in a global market, and software is inherently a global market), funding international scientific research.... Maybe not as effectively as possible, but they seem to actually be at least doing something other than trying to turn back the hands of a clock that cannot be turned back.
Going to need a citation on the EU having done anything to achieve anything asserted. As far as I can see the EU's open border policies have only added millions of unemployed workers who lack higher education, technical skills or basic literacy or comprehension in the local language to an advanced economy. I really do not quite grasp the strategy of supposedly advanced, automating nations, desperately seeking to increase their unskilled workforce by millions, to work in the jobs they intend to make obsolete. That is to say nothing of taxes or demographics in the aged, retiring European populace.
We need something to provide support for people whilst their livelihoods inevitably die, and so far no platform that advocates leaving the EU seems to simultaneously acknowledge what I view as this strong reality.
That might just be because the Leave platform is about leaving the European Union so that we can decide what we want to do in the parliamentary democracy that the UK has grown accustomed to. It's a question on sovereignty, there isn't really much room for debate on future policy. I'm probably being block-headed though, in hindsight I think you're referring to the political parties that supported leave? If so, I apologise for my stupidity. It makes much more sense for the political parties that supported Leave to be scrutinized for their future aims or goals.
Some of the remain platforms, however, have pushed for ideas like Universal Living Standards that can build on top of existing welfare systems, and will be essential in the inevitable post-industrial future.
So, for someone who thinks industry is dying an inevitable death, and automation is the inevitable future, where amongst the Leave crowd are they presenting effective alternatives to the EU? Because, from that point of view, to me they just look like snake oil salesmen. False promises that cannot be fulfilled, no different from trying to protect/bring back the cottage industries during the industrial revolution.
It's an absolute pity. The UK acts wisely but has no favour with PR, whereas even our own future journalists are educated in Universities that despite the UK and adore the EU.
That's an interesting point of view. I agree with your message, I disagree very much that the EU is moving forwards. On the contrary, the EU is retarded.
The EU wastes hundreds of millions of euros on airports that serve no one or fail to be profitable. Perhaps this was simply a case of the EU conducting no market research before throwing away hundreds of millions of euros, but as seen in the case of fishing,
they just don't care. Whilst little money was spent on scientific assessment or law enforcement, the EU:
*Spent billions of euros helping Europeans build up large fishing fleets, even though conservationists cautioned them that this would result in overfishing.
*Ignored their own study that EU subsidies were responsible for propping up industries that were unprofitable not in the future as a result of automation, but already, today, to continue subsidizing fuel costs for fishing trawlers that were permanently destroying fish stocks.
*Spent tens of millions of euros modernizing giant purse sieners to help fishermen catch endangered bluefin Tuna
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Gave subsidies to boost illegal overfishing, even to people convicted of illegal fishing*Ultimately ignoring the issue of overcapacity, continuing to subsidize the building and modernization of increasingly efficient trawlers causing overfishing
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Whilst criticizing foreign nations for harmful fishing subsidies,
continuing the same practices themselves despite two decades of the knowledge that their policies were destroying the future of the industry and environment. To quote:
*Only one percent of that money can be identified as beneficial to the marine environment. About 65 percent can be categorized as “environmentally harmful."
When European Steel requested that the European Union protect their industry in line with the Americans,
the European Union obliged, the steelworks worried that Chinese goods in European markets could wipe out 330,000 European jobs.
What about coal?
The EU spent its money determined to ensure that the mines did not close. It now has to face reality that they will remain closed. Then what of agriculture?
Ahaha no, not embracing innovation, I love this - get this, far be it that the EU put their budget towards modernizing, nah,
43% went towards making food prices more expensive for Europeans. Top kek
What about the defence industry?
Avin a giggle there. Industry and energy?
Future looks full of non-competition.Unlike EU aerospace,
the UK is innovating and expanding realistically. Theresa May's education reform brought a fucking tear to my eye,
finally we would be in more in line with Singapore in actually providing alternatives for students who feel like they are useless without a Uni degree or students who end up taking useless Uni degrees. I'm sick and tired of so many Ministers talking about reforming education but delivering nothing, this is the exact kind of stuff I've been yammering on about for so long. Honestly the only thing I'm disgruntled about is that I don't think she's gone far enough, Compsci, Mechanics, Plumbing and other advanced technical jobs should also feature their own technical schools, and we should be offering state scholarships to STEM students and easy visas for talented foreign students. This will do so much to ensuring that the future will belong to British youths, at a time when coal mines and steel mills will be shutting down until such time as the world needs them again. So wartime. On the topic of coal,
our government has set the date for 2025 to phase out all coal power altogether. All coal mining has already ceased for some years now. If successful, our nation will be the first industrial nation to have no reliance on any coal power whatsoever, except perhaps, for the odd Summer barbecue
On the topic of the Scotland trial for Universal Basic Income, crucially,
it is cross party, involving all parties which supported both sides. I wish them success, and if they are successful, an expansion of trials into England and from there, the UK at large.
To top it all off, May announced she'll implement £2 BILLION sterling of investment in British tech and research, from Biotech to AI, Robotics and beyond, every year.I am puzzled then, why is it when Brexiteer Tories propose such things they are unnoticed, whilst the failure of the EU is held aloft as an example to follow? I cannot comprehend this. One thing that I found absolutely fucking shocking, one thing I had not even realized existed,
was that David Cameron put a cap on skilled non-EU migrants to enter our country.This made me absolutely livid because there is no way to view this as in any way advantageous to the UK. Especially in light of David Cameron giving us uncapped unskilled migration I can't fucking believe he had the gall to put a cap on skilled migrants. I can point and laugh that as a Europhile leading Remain, of course David Cameron would support the fucking stupid measure which would ensure the UK is hurt in accordance with all your fears, but then that also makes me livid because I have not seen May take notice of the cap or state she will overturn it. This is a really dumb idea and needs to be left in the past with Ham and Clegg.
My conclusion is that I agree with you on the changes to come, but for me I see our current leaders as moving in the right direction whilst the leaders of the EU aren't really moving anywhere at all. Their stagnancy is going to kill them, if their own mismanagement won't do them in first.
Like they give a shit when Europeans suffer, they live in their own elite bubbles isolated from ordinary people. Remain, whether it was Miliband, Cameron or Clegg, said nothing of substance in regards to the future. Clegg talked about how the EU gave us "clout" which was really fucking useless of him, Miliband talked about how we should join in EU protectionism, Cameron was off fucking about rejecting skilled migrants whilst opening the door to unskilled migrants... Jesus Christ, Merkel and Cameron should not be interchangeable.
Oh! And a final note, the Remain camp was fairly retarded. All three offered ideological progressivism instead of any actual sense of proper planning, but the current leadership of Jeremy Corbyn sees eye to eye with May.
They both have the same strategy for the future. So current Labour party leadership and current Conservative party leadership are getting there, despite both of their parties once supporting the absolute idiot bureaucracy their predecessors championed. Pretty much only Libdems are still being stubborn in the face of progress, which is funny coming from the progressive party xD