I'd certainly disagree with it. I'd prefer my kid have access to porn (because they're certainly going to have access to a lot of worse things - drugs, for example) rather than increase the censorship powers of the state.
It's not good to allow the slippery slope to slide, you need to tackle it before it gets covered in lube. Once it starts sliding, it builds momentum, it becomes increasingly hard to stop. The earlier problems are fought, the sooner they are tackled. I personally never justify failings with failings, 'at least' is a phrase I keep out of my vocabulary, as I loathe settling for 'at least.'
They're already planning to force ISPs to store all of your online activity for a year; I imagine many of you can see the potential pitfalls associated with that, both in terms of civil liberties and also in the light of things such as the Ashley Madison hack.
I agree with you fully, but like I said before, that part of my soul has gone quiet. There is simply nothing that can be done to stop this becoming reality, even before the internet we were the most surveyed nation in the world and everyone was apathetic about it. CCTV itself isn't even a relic of the past,
just getting smarter. Also lmao we have a guy called Dr. Orwell working on CCTV, that guy is marked for destiny, just like how we have a company called Skynet that does satelites
And honestly, I don't think the pornography industry is anything to worry about at all.
“I thought this would be a part-time job, but I was so naive to think I could do that . . . you can’t just do a part-time job, you have to constantly be your porn alter ego.”
All these stories share, to varying degrees, common elements that should disturb us. These were women in dire financial need who felt they had limited options. Once they were “in it,” their options became even more limited. In many cases the women say they were given a much different picture than reality. They felt pressured to go along with sexual encounters even when they felt uncomfortable; under the control of skilled manipulators, things often happened faster than they could process in time to say no.
In addition to drawing in those in financial need and taking a cut from their earnings, working in the sex industry offers neither good job security (generally their job lasts only as long as their youthful looks) nor options for employment after they leave.
Another glaring issue brought to light by these women’s stories is the prevalence of abuse and rape in the sex industry.
Rough. That’s the word that seems to come to mind first when girls in amateur porn describe a scene they didn’t like. “It was a really, really, really rough scene,” Weeks said about her first dip into porn. “I wasn’t prepared for how rough it was.”
Weeks is referring to her first porn set, where she was physically beaten and choked as the cameras rolled. It’s an experience that amateur porn actresses face on a regular basis—signing on for one thing (a porn scene as it was described to you, for a certain amount of money), but then being forced to do something else while the cameras roll. It’s not uncommon for women to get physically beaten or forced to do a sexual act they weren’t informed of beforehand. Before Weeks’ scene where she is recorded on camera getting “ass-kicked,” Weeks had been told, “It’s not that bad; they’ll be very nice to you.” Despite her initial no, she ultimately agreed; $1200 was “fast, easy money” after all—or, at least, it was fast.
It turns out that formerly agreed-upon terms change very frequently on porn sets—once the actresses have already flown to the location, are in compromised positions, and feel they don’t have the option to decline.
That wasn’t the only scene in which Weeks had an unwanted sexual encounter. As she further describes in Becoming Belle Knox, her agent intentionally didn’t give her details about a porn shoot until she had committed to it. By the time she was informed the man was 50 years old, she felt her hands were tied, and she couldn’t say no. She would get fined and never hired from the company again. She went through with it “for professionalism,” she says. Despite feeling “like crying during the entire scene” and afterward feeling “really upset,” Weeks concluded that “even if your boundaries are disrespected, you should do the scene anyway.”
At least 40 percent of porn depicts violence against women, according to Hot Girls Wanted. Among such trends are forced blow jobs to the point of making girls vomit (called “facial abuse” in porn lingo). “I was scared,” Rachel told a roommate after a rough scene. “I didn’t know that I could tell him no, or the fact that we had already recorded fifteen minutes that I could f***ing leave . . . then what? Then I understand that that’s how rape victims feel.”
“It’s really not that hard to take advantage of an 18-year-old [who’s] f***ing on camera,” Tressa says, reflecting on her time in porn. “I mean, most girls when I was in the industry would say yes to anything; if it had a dollar sign, sign me up.”
I can't help but draw parallels between the grooming of porn stars and the UK grooming gangs, where little British girls felt
obligated to have sex with their gang handlers. You bring your young girl in, you pressure her into the industry and she can't exactly leave or advertise her work experience, there are no transferable skills. With her financial situation only worsening with age and her looks likewise, in order to get further employment she has to agree to more extreme and hardcore shit. By the time she has been through the most harrowing sexual ordeals and is an unemployable, burned out husk, social pariah with chronic STDs, the industry has already found many replacements to continue churning out fresh new kinks. If we're done with 1984, this is moving into Videodrome territory.
There's also a great deal of overlap between the porn industry, prostitution and sex trafficking:
For decades, pornography has been praised as the epitome of freedom of expression by men and at times women alike. However, as time goes on, social conservatives and feminists alike — as well as various media outlets and academic organizations — are coming to agree that not only does pornography harm individuals and families, but it is also a major factor in the underground sex slave industry.
FTND’s research also found that “when these customers show up, many come ready with porn images in hand to show the women they’re exploiting—many of which are human trafficking victims controlled by pimps—what they’ll be forced to do.” The organization cites a 2007 study of 854 women in nine countries that found 49% of women “said that porn had been made of them while they were in prostitution, and 47% said they had been harmed by men who had either forced or tried to force their victims to do things the men had seen in porn.”
According to FTND CEO Clay Olsen, “porn fuels the demand for the sex trade” in a way often not seen by those who view porn. “Traffickers have learned to package their product in a way that disguises the fact that the ‘performers’ are forced to participate,” said Olsen.
While data on the number of women girls and boys forced into porn is relatively scant, due to its secretive and illegal nature, Dawn Hawkins, Executive Director of National Center on Sexual Exploitation, told me that “the 20+ performers I have talked to (some still involved in porn) have all shared stories with me that they were forced and coerced many times over.”
“Drugs, alcohol, physical abuse, blackmail, threats, fake legal documents, deceitful enticing, promises of fame and money and so much more are used to get the girls to perform what and how the producers desire,” she added.
Does it not intrigue you when conservatives and feminists agree?Then there's the effects it has on the consumers. Desensitization fam, people get used to something and in order to seek excitement move onto more dangerous shit. This will affect their behaviour irl.
Just look at our youngest viagra addict, who wanted to be like male porn stars. It's no surprise that kids want to be like their role models and if they're watching porn,
porn stars don't escape this rule. Porn has immense power to shape the impressions of children in what they 'should' be doing in order to be having a great sex life, hence why we have that phenomenon where so many women are doing anal sex even if they don't enjoy it, because they feel some obligation. I joke about how if I was PM I'd have a Minister of Fornication and Pornography, one because I think it'd be hilarious to have a Minister of FaP, but two because porn has immense influence on society as a social engineering tool that goes unscrutinized because we're embarrassed to talk about it. It may be more obvious to us because we're in the age where Anons and Tumblrites use weaponized porn to fulfill their agendas but the impacts are more subtle, more pervading and more real IRL.
It certainly isn't the porn companies bribing our politicians to sell out their own constituents.
Dunno famAnyone my age or younger grew up with plentiful access to porn, and we all seem to have muddled through. The only people who I've really seen kicking up a fuss tends to be the Mumsnet types, the sex-negative feminists.
I think it's because the only people who bring this shit up are utterly shameless or have a comfortable distance of anonymity. You got people who think it's immoral, people who think it's unethical, people who think it's haram, people who think it's misogynistic e.t.c. it's a diverse and enriched coalition of people with various reasons for seeking to control, suppress or stymie it in some way. I think it's a shame that it's dominated by feminist or conservative discourse though, especially since all the chan male camwhores, the unprotected demographics that sell themselves who've killed themselves over the years sorta die unnoticed
But ultimately, let's not pretend this is really about pornography. They use pornography because few people want to be seen as the pervert standing up and saying 'Oi, hands off my face-sitting lesbians weeing on each other!'. So it passes, and suddenly they're using it to censor 'harmful' opinions. And every time we allow them to increase that power, we're not just handing our reins to them, but to every government that follows them.
Of course, all valid observations. This seems like an extension of the anti-pedo and anti-jihadi powers that tried to get put through (or were put through) that ended up censoring normal people.
If powers can be abused, they're going to at some point. Back to the grooming gangs comparison, hate speech laws for example were used to shut down one of the MPs who was blowing the lid on it (pretty certain it was a BNP one, but it's hard to fault him when he was right). All the same how do you stop that? Power creep is real in the UK, and I don't see any mechanism which can stop it just yet, at least on the institutional level. Technology will do more to protect individual rights than activism or politics, until at least more voters demand their individual rights be protected (which as it stands, people don't care. It kills me).
I hope my kids ask about this in the future, for some kind of history project. Where were you when t. May started telling us how many fingers we were allowed to shove in our orifices?
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