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« Reply #525 on: July 30, 2016, 04:51:51 pm »

Every single political orientation is used as an insult. Right wing, left wing, tory, labour, green, lib dem, liberal, libertarian, conservative, socialist...
I can't believe you forgot about us Moderates again, you insensitive Centrist pigdog!
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« Reply #526 on: July 30, 2016, 06:30:43 pm »

Also damn me and my naive anarchist bullshit!

Wait, I messed something up.
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« Reply #527 on: July 30, 2016, 07:55:50 pm »

To be fair the fact that anarchists can take themselves seriously in the first place is pretty funny
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« Reply #528 on: July 30, 2016, 11:55:29 pm »

If there's one good thing about this, it's that the Southern US no longer has to be the default setting when you want to depict a racist-infested shithole.
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« Reply #529 on: July 31, 2016, 01:24:58 am »

I get the impression that the actual population of racists is vastly inflated so the left can push their agenda

Same way the prevalence of SHARIA LAW ZONE is vastly inflated so the right can push their agenda

It's agendas all the way down
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« Reply #530 on: July 31, 2016, 01:35:09 am »

It is sad that I know as far as racism is concerned...

The United States... is actually one of the good countries.
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« Reply #531 on: July 31, 2016, 11:59:32 am »

I get the impression that the actual population of racists is vastly inflated so the left can push their agenda

Same way the prevalence of SHARIA LAW ZONE is vastly inflated so the right can push their agenda

It's agendas all the way down
That's just what someone with an agenda for hiding the truth about the world turtle would say...
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« Reply #532 on: July 31, 2016, 10:54:27 pm »

I get the impression that the actual population of racists is vastly inflated so the left can push their agenda

Same way the prevalence of SHARIA LAW ZONE is vastly inflated so the right can push their agenda

It's agendas all the way down

The number of really really racist people is fairly small, yes. However, there are places where you get institutional racism or where the effects of racism still shape how people interact - I spent a while in the American South recently and it was quite eye-opening.
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« Reply #533 on: July 31, 2016, 11:11:17 pm »

there are places where you get institutional racism
What, like, Zimbabwe? I'm talking about Britain.
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« Reply #534 on: August 01, 2016, 03:03:45 am »

there are places where you get institutional racism
What, like, Zimbabwe? I'm talking about Britain.
As TDS mentioned the American South, immediately after, means that Zimbabwe (with many problems, the 'reverse racism' of  white farmers being evicted and replaced) is a small leap.

I understand that Institutional Racism was directly coined with respect to events in Birmingham, Alabama, rather than anywhere near Birmingham, UK. But it was 'popularised' over here with the whole Stephen Lawrence case in London.

Arguably, an amount of the 'racism' (here, if not elsewhere) is as much 'classism', but with a baseline of fewer minorities being at the privileged end and obvious appearance being far easier to 'profile' from afar (c.f. quips about Bond, in his souped-up Aston Martin, being stopped continually by the traffic police if Idris Elba were in the role). I can't really speak for the full gamut of UK experiences, and certainly not first-hand, so take this as a shaky attempt to be objective.


(Apart from my friend who is racist, but not institutionally so, the closest thing to bias/assumption I came across was when I was mugged, a while ago, by some eastern-European-or-beyond-sounding guys, from their accents (not that I'm an expert). It was too dark to note their appearance much, and I daresay they were 'dusky' but I really couldn't have said whether they were classifiably caucasian or any of the other typical Caucasian ethnicities. That said, because I was passing an area with a high 'asian'1 density2, I did first get asked by the officers if they were asians. Not the first question, but disconcertingly quickly, in a statement-taking that didn't lead me, but left me feeling that they were trying to fill in a fixed questionaire of doubtlessly useful questions but constraining me somewhat in the actual narrative I was trying to give, stopping and starting my unfolding of events. But then maybe I ramble too much... c.f. this aside and its footnotes.)


1 In UK terms, where 'asian' tends to mean people from India/Pakistan (and has tended to cover those from Middle East or even spain through lazy racism), rather than China/Japan that we in the UK have traditionally lumped together in a different ethnic description/slur, mostly.

2 It's a bit of a melting point around here, though. There's a mosque next to a church, I know where there's a Sikh temple, there's (probable) Romanians, (possible) Turks, (definite) African/Afro-Carribeans, etc. I don't feel like a monority, but then I hear far too many 'foreign' faces talking in the broad local accent (I'm a bit of an incomer myself...  I was born and brought up nearly 20 miles away, which gives me a detectibly different dialect.
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« Reply #535 on: August 01, 2016, 03:07:20 am »

What the balls is reverse racism?
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« Reply #536 on: August 01, 2016, 03:32:46 am »

What the balls is reverse racism?
Sorry, meant 'reversed racism'. But, as explained, an arguably self-destructive backlash driven by hate and by-passing any form of transition into a more equitable future. Easily discovered if you hadn't already known about it.

(Also wondering if that's all you took away with you, from what I wrote. Yes, I know it rambled, but still...)
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« Reply #537 on: August 01, 2016, 03:49:06 am »

It is sad that I know as far as racism is concerned...

The United States... is actually one of the good countries.

Oh yeah, definitely. *Kills another black own for reaching for his wallet*
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« Reply #538 on: August 01, 2016, 04:45:38 am »

It is sad that I know as far as racism is concerned...

The United States... is actually one of the good countries.

Oh yeah, definitely. *Kills another black own for reaching for his wallet*

I stick by my statement.

The United States is just more noticeable and a LOT more well known then say... Mexico.
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« Reply #539 on: August 01, 2016, 04:48:08 am »

(Also wondering if that's all you took away with you, from what I wrote. Yes, I know it rambled, but still...)
Nah, it all seemed pretty reasonable and I didn't have anything to add.

Oh yeah, definitely. *Kills another black own for reaching for his wallet*
The really sad thing is that he's not wrong. Place is lightyears ahead of Saudi Arabia or Qatar or something, where anyone who's not a native Arab lives in pseudo-slavery
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