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[mainiac]

They got into this situation by blaming the EU and exaggerating what Britain is capable of.  I imagine they will stick with that strategy if it comes to hardball.

[Neonivek]

They got into this situation by blaming the EU and exaggerating what Britain is capable of.  I imagine they will stick with that strategy if it comes to hardball.

Yes but the EU's proper response to this... Would be to go from "No, get yourself together then we will talk, you won't weasel past us" to "We will crush you so hard you will beg us to stop"

At least in my mind that is the case. Threatening to harass helpless citizens unless we bend over backwards for you? How about some trade embargos buddy! (ok that is a bit extreme)

[evilcherry]

Scottish Parliament votes 92 to 0 to give Scot Govt a mandate to do all it can to keep Scotland in the EU.

wew m8

I believe the Tories abstained.

There's quite a hubbub at the moment about Mariano Rajoy's emphatic denouncement of the idea of Scotland negotiating with the EU - saying that we're a part of the UK and we should be treated as such. Francois Hollande is saying the same thing. Juncker on the other hand is saying "Scotland has won the right to be listened to" or something.

I am not surprised that the Usual Suspects are coming out in force to discourage treating Scotland like a country in any way, but I am not so sure Unionists should be celebrating these snubbings as they are. To be told "You can't get negotiate unless you're independent" kills their hopes of staying in the EU as a part of the UK, like a reverse-Denmark/Greenland scenario. I have also read that claims of a potential Spanish veto on Scottish EU membership would kill Spain's arguments against Catalan sovereignty; they argue the issue is purely constitutional, because under Spanish law a province can only become independent if all regions vote on it, hence their support of the Serbian position in Kosovo.

If however they attempted to block Scottish membership of the EU in a situation where we have constitutionally become independent i.e. through democratic referendum, they will show that they are actually not constitutionalists, rather they are opposed to national self determination and then the Catalans can take their challenge to an international court.

If an international court can solve these problems China and Russia would have disintegrated long ago.

The Spaniards wanted to make the worst example out of the Scots and Llanitos mainly to hound Catalans and Basques (and to a lesser extent Galicians and Valencians) back into their position.

[palsch]

Oh no. I was really looking forward to the political cartoons of Boris VS Stalin Putin.

We should get some good ones out of Gove stabbing him in the back.

For those not following the minutiae of the Tory leadership kerfuffle, Gove originally backed Boris and there were rumours he would be his chancellor. Then Boris fucked up badly a couple of times. He first managed to publish his vision for exit that included retaining the freedom of movement and had to completely denounce his own article. He then was supposed to meet with Remain MPs and abandoned the meeting 15 minutes before it started. Somewhere along the line he is also rumoured to have refused to promise Gove a job.

Meanwhile Rupert Murdoch said he would quite like to see Gove as the leader, despite Gove having ruled himself out of the running. For his part Gove had remained mostly silent since the referendum.

So last night an email from Gove's wife was leaked warning that Boris would a terrible leader. Gove's wife, by the by, is Sarah Vine who writes for the Daily Mail. The email raised doubts about the support Boris would have and his capability as leader.

Meanwhile polls showed that May was trouncing Johnson among the Conservative membership, while having retained a rather strong position by staying mostly out of the debate. She is viewed as a natural Leaver who stayed loyal to the government by backing Remain, but quietly. She is also viewed as a potentially strong leadership figure, if not the second coming of the Iron Lady herself. She had started her campaign by ripping Boris to shards over his negotiating abilities and the time she overruled him over the use of water cannons in London.

Then today Gove announces only hours before the deadline and Boris ends up pulling out of the race only minutes before it begins. He was quickly backed by a number of senior figures, including Nicky Morgan. According to one leaked text message, Boris's camp think this was a planned coup from Gove's side from the very beginning, so it may be that Gove no longer gets the support of the united Leave campaign.

The stories that should come out of this are going to put most political farces to shame.


EDIT: And it gets better.

I'm told Boris' widely criticised @Telegraph column - was SUB EDITED by Michael Gove who suggested changes - and Boris put them in

[Frumple]

I swear this whole thing is like the incarnation of a katamari clusterfuck. Everything just keeps rolling into a larger tangle of snafus.

[palsch]

I swear this whole thing is like the incarnation of a katamari clusterfuck. Everything just keeps rolling into a larger tangle of snafus.

I think we are way past the point of satire being dead.

EDIT: Waaaaay past.

11.55 Jewish MP Ruth Smeeth has left the anti-Semitism event in tears after an audience member has accused of of “colluding” with The Daily Telegraph to undermine Corbyn.

[Neonivek]

Man... I need popcorn for this Brexit crud!

[palsch]

I think we are way past the point of satire being dead.

Now denied.

[Neonivek]

I know it is cruel but DANG is Brexit entertaining.

What next? A Sports Riot? A party meltdown? A bank bailout?

The Trump campaign was a car pileup that made me sad as I watched because of the implications.

Brexit on the other hand has full license to be hilarious.

[palsch]

It isn't even just Brexit as far as Labour is concerned.

Today's anti-Semitism meeting was called weeks ago, after a number of statements eventually resulted in ex-London mayor Ken Livingstone being suspended for making stupid comparisons to Hitler. It just happened to fall on the worst possible day for Corbyn, whose hard-left group is commonly seen as susceptible to anti-Semitic conspiracies and views.

There is also the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war due to be published next week, which is likely to further inflame tensions between the Blairites and the anti-war left. That was always going to be a shitshow. Now it is just going to be piling more on to the ongoing.

[ChairmanPoo]

Scottish Parliament votes 92 to 0 to give Scot Govt a mandate to do all it can to keep Scotland in the EU.

wew m8

I believe the Tories abstained.

There's quite a hubbub at the moment about Mariano Rajoy's emphatic denouncement of the idea of Scotland negotiating with the EU - saying that we're a part of the UK and we should be treated as such. Francois Hollande is saying the same thing. Juncker on the other hand is saying "Scotland has won the right to be listened to" or something.

I am not surprised that the Usual Suspects are coming out in force to discourage treating Scotland like a country in any way, but I am not so sure Unionists should be celebrating these snubbings as they are. To be told "You can't get negotiate unless you're independent" kills their hopes of staying in the EU as a part of the UK, like a reverse-Denmark/Greenland scenario. I have also read that claims of a potential Spanish veto on Scottish EU membership would kill Spain's arguments against Catalan sovereignty; they argue the issue is purely constitutional, because under Spanish law a province can only become independent if all regions vote on it, hence their support of the Serbian position in Kosovo.

If however they attempted to block Scottish membership of the EU in a situation where we have constitutionally become independent i.e. through democratic referendum, they will show that they are actually not constitutionalists, rather they are opposed to national self determination and then the Catalans can take their challenge to an international court.

No. Spanish law does not recognize any territorial independence whatsoever, and a surprisingly large chunk of the population subscribe to this philosophy. Stating that countries such as Canada or the UK have done binding independence referendums without breaking up, and, indeed, managing to let steam off social tensions in the process, will only get you scoffed at.

I used to think that most people werent like that, but then I was sorely disappointed in the last 15 years

[Helgoland]

PTW.

[Azkanan]

Here's me thinking that Boris Johnson was a good head for the government... but that post a few hours ago totally turned my perspective.

I thought Gove had played the entire thing to his benefit.

[Starver]

Here's me thinking that Boris Johnson was a good head for the government...

There's not so many occupied spikes, these days, so at the very least there'd be room on one for his head, and probably also room on another for his johnson...

[Frumple]

If there's anything I've took away from watching this stuff, it's that the only good candidate for a head of government that the UK seems to have right now appears to be Sturgeon. And there's some obvious problems with that option :V