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[TD1]

Yea, there's no need to lower the tone.

Personally, I wouldn't want a revote right after it. Although, I do recall hearing closer to the time the opinion that Remain should have a revote, so that all the ones who voted stupidly would get the chance to make the right decision. That was funny

[Starver]

There are words that I'm not using here.

And, as for figuring in voting, I am never a fan of tactical voting (it just creates things like Bregrexit, as has been discussed before) but the chronology was:
Farage says that 52/48 would be "unfinished business", assuming that it would be in the Remain/Leave direction.
A Leaver creates that pre-emptive petition. (And later says "The logistical probability of getting a turnout to be a minimum of 75% and of that, 60% of the vote must be one or the other (leave or remain) is in my opinion next to impossible without a compulsory element to the voting system.", but that might be him trying to sour his own grapes.)
Nearly a month later, we have the vote.
You participate in the thread of the moment.
News that the petition has been 'discovered' and 'hijacked' by 'Bremoaners' is posted to the same thread. But it's also all over the media, so unless you're hiding under a rock...
Some time between then and now, you've forgotten this final point, or are just trying to be annoying. But I'm assuming the former, because you're recently proven susceptible to problems in your recall and, between this and an actual real life visit to a person who is in hospital for intensive observation this week, I'm defaulting to assuming a medical blip that can (and hopefully will) get better soon. Because the alternative isn't somewhere I care to go, in either case.

Good health to you, in the future.

[Dorsidwarf]

Covenant, Starver, stop dancing around each other ye little gobshites and kiss already.

On an actual point of discussion, saying "scotland's been part of the UK for hundreds of years!" seems disingenuous when that's mostly because the English were shits to them and stamped all over the various rebellions for hundreds of years before acknowledging it was sort of its own country, ish.

On a point of discussion more related to the current affairs:

What do people think of the bbc coverage going on right now?

[Starver]

No comment on the coverage, but I still don't see much good coming of this. Unless you like political revolutions.

[martinuzz]

Sry couldn't resist, had to mspaint

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[scriver]

We have a word, in America, for the sort of thing that forbidding Scotland from leaving is: "hypocrisy." I dunno if the British English version is different or what. Maybe it's "Jolly-good-take-the-biscut" or something.

I'd like to start by pointing out that I support Scottish independence and fresh referendums, and then say that it's quite a stretch to call it hypocritical given that the union between Scotland and England is a very different situation from the European union. Equating the two is a very shallow way to look at it.

[TD1]

I'm in favour of an eventual Scottish referendum, but not one right now. Of all the bad times.

[Neonivek]

We have a word, in America, for the sort of thing that forbidding Scotland from leaving is: "hypocrisy." I dunno if the British English version is different or what. Maybe it's "Jolly-good-take-the-biscut" or something.

I'd like to start by pointing out that I support Scottish independence and fresh referendums, and then say that it's quite a stretch to call it hypocritical given that the union between Scotland and England is a very different situation from the European union. Equating the two is a very shallow way to look at it.

Yeah it isn't even like the situation between Canada and Quebec... and yet we still support a referendum (we think it is silly for them to do it... mostly because we think it is scapegoating for their real problems)

[Sheb]

I'm in favour of an eventual Scottish referendum, but not one right now. Of all the bad times.

To be fair I'd guess there is a pretty solid argument that a referendum should at least wait until the end on the EU-UK negotiations so that Scotland can choose its deal knowing what's on the table.

[Neonivek]

I'm in favour of an eventual Scottish referendum, but not one right now. Of all the bad times.

To be fair I'd guess there is a pretty solid argument that a referendum should at least wait until the end on the EU-UK negotiations so that Scotland can choose its deal knowing what's on the table.

To admit though a successful referendum gives Scotland a lot more bargaining power. They might even be able to blackmail UK in the process in order for Scotland to stay... and thus have a direct impact on the negotiations.

[Sheb]

A contrario it might gives incentives to the EU to give the UK a worse deal hoping the get Scotland back.

[TD1]

You assume the EU wants Scotland.

[Sheb]

I think not every country (*cough*Spain*cough*) would be delighted, but a lot of the EU institutions at least would be. What better proof that the EU has a future than to have Scotland quit England to join it?

[TD1]

Surely it's a fairly expensive symbolic gesture. And, not to mention, one that would heavily peeve off the U.K. - which certainly might have a sweet taste to some, but isn't exactly in the best interests of Europe either.

As for the symbolic value....even of that, I'm doubtful. How does Europe accepting part of a splintered state prove that it has a strong future?

[Sheb]

Because it shows* that people wants to join it enough to break a 300-old Union. I don't really see the expensive parts. As for peeving off the rUK... I don't really see it if it's too overt. But yeah, I don't think we're likely to see the EU willing to accept significant costs just for that.


*Or can be spun as showing.