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[Ekaton]

If you are protecting yourself from a group of armed individuals, you might want to kill them as swiftly as possible, so that they won't kill you. There is only so people you can shoot at short time and if there is a group of them, chances are that someone might shoot you back, especially if you are not trained.

I do not think there is ever going to be a situation where a group of armed individuals is attempting to kill you. Like, as I said, unless you are actually looking for people to kill I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Armed robberies can certainly involve several armed individuals and they sometimes do.

[Shadowlord]

Maybe he's a drug dealer and he thinks a minigun will be sufficient to stop the inevitable SWAT raid.

[O.Wilde]

If you are protecting yourself from a group of armed individuals, you might want to kill them as swiftly as possible, so that they won't kill you. There is only so people you can shoot at short time and if there is a group of them, chances are that someone might shoot you back, especially if you are not trained.

I do not think there is ever going to be a situation where a group of armed individuals is attempting to kill you. Like, as I said, unless you are actually looking for people to kill I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Armed robberies can certainly involve several armed individuals and they sometimes do.

How many armed individuals do you think is an amount to warrant a machine gun response?

[Ekaton]

Maybe he's a drug dealer and he thinks a minigun will be sufficient to stop the inevitable SWAT raid.

I seriously doubt that a drug dealer would own a gun legally.

O. Wilde - again, it is hard to give an exact number, at least a couple of, but I don't really think that it would have been an unlawful defence if someone used it for just one person, it's just that it is the most important for defence against a group.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Could you clarify option number 4?

[Orange Wizard]

Guns are important for the people to be able to stand against their government if it will try to take their liberties, that is the point why those are in the U.S. Constitution.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE O7

Could you clarify option number 4?

Guns for all! Protect our second amendment rights to SMGs in classrooms!

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I might make worthwhile contributions later, but the hilarious levels of MUH FREEDUMS in this thread have put me in full shitpost mode.

[Insanegame27]

Guns are important for the people to be able to stand against their government if it will try to take their liberties, that is the point why those are in the U.S. Constitution.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE O7

Could you clarify option number 4?

Guns for all! Protect our second amendment rights to SMGs in classrooms!

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I might make worthwhile contributions later, but the hilarious levels of MUH FREEDUMS in this thread have put me in full shitpost mode.

It's timesposts like this I wish this forum had 'like' buttons.

[Erkki]

Is this about gun control in the US or in general? Or some certain state? Because discussion on 2nd amendment is more or less irrelevant for the rest of the world and the poll kind of makes little sense as gun control varies within US too.

I cant comment on the risen points much right now but about hunting... Well, discounting the impossibility of keeping some species in control with just traps and bow, using the bow and arrow just isnt safe any more even if the hunter is skilled with them. Small prey is harmless but moose, elk, wolf and especially the bear are dangerous and will very often try to kill people when wounded. Arrow just doesnt kill quick enough and lacks the stopping power. Getting safe shots is difficult in itself as the hunter has to get very close, and you'd still need a man with an actual firearm just in case.

Also what are your thoughts on owning rifles just in case government goes bonkers(in the US), versus

Spoiler:  for the in many places very real possibility of these polite men showing up at your front door? (click to show/hide)

[Insanegame27]

Uhh, I planned for the current poll to be about the US, then do other countries with gun problems after. Gotta start with the big fish.

Is this about gun control in the US or in general? Or some certain state? Because discussion on 2nd amendment is more or less irrelevant for the rest of the world and the poll kind of makes little sense as gun control varies within US too.

I cant comment on the risen points much right now but about hunting... Well, discounting the impossibility of keeping some species in control with just traps and bow, using the bow and arrow just isnt safe any more even if the hunter is skilled with them. Small prey is harmless but moose, elk, wolf and especially the bear are dangerous and will very often try to kill people when wounded. Arrow just doesnt kill quick enough and lacks the stopping power. Getting safe shots is difficult in itself as the hunter has to get very close, and you'd still need a man with an actual firearm just in case.

Also what are your thoughts on owning rifles just in case government goes bonkers(in the US), versus

Spoiler:  for the in many places very real possibility of these polite men showing up at your front door? (click to show/hide)

The chance of that happening are close enough to null for me. Even if they did, they would instantly have EVERYONE ELSE at war with them.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Would you support the disarmament of the world's armies? Serious question.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I would support the destruction of all instruments of war if murder and dictatorship cease to be.

[Erkki]

The chance of that happening are close enough to null for me. Even if they did, they would instantly have EVERYONE ELSE at war with them.

Yes, but not many are as fortunate as you. Many kinds of SHTF scenarios are pretty likely around the world and in those it can quickly turn out that homo homini lupus indeed, even if what happens doesn't include mad government forces or VDV's 76th guards air assault division.

[Vilanat]

Also what are your thoughts on owning rifles just in case government goes bonkers(in the US), versus

Spoiler:  for the in many places very real possibility of these polite men showing up at your front door? (click to show/hide)

"A well regulated Militia..."

In my "Town" we got a sort of militia of folks who are trained every six months. obviously all of them have combat experience so the starting point is already good, but even with quite an extensive screening, training and experience, they are not allowed to keep their weapons at home and they are stored behind two locked heavy steel armory doors. can't see why such a program couldn't run in the U.S.

[Orange Wizard]

Uhh, I planned for the current poll to be about the US, then do other countries with gun problems after. Gotta start with the big fish.

Fucking Americans, pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist

I cant comment on the risen points much right now but about hunting...

I don't know of any country that outlaws hunting rifles. Most require a licence, but it's kinda hard to go on a killing spree or whatever with one. Unless you're White Death or something, I guess.

Also what are your thoughts on owning rifles just in case government goes bonkers(in the US), versus

Spoiler:  for the in many places very real possibility of these polite men showing up at your front door? (click to show/hide)

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Generally resistance on a personal level is worthless; you're not going to stand a chance on your own (heavily armed or no) against a platoon of jackbooted thugs.
Not saying resistance is always bad, but the times when weapons are needed for resistance is not "protect my freedom" but "protect my life". If you need guns to fight an oppressive/corrupt government, you're fighting for revolution, not fighting to protect your right to grow avocados

Would you support the disarmament of the world's armies? Serious question.
[spoiler]I would support the destruction of all instruments of war if murder and dictatorship cease to be.

I'd support heavy disarmament on a gradual scale; unfortunately we're human and some armed force will always be necessary to maintain law and order, better that be police than armies and nukes.

[Insanegame27]

Uhh, I planned for the current poll to be about the US, then do other countries with gun problems after. Gotta start with the big fish.

Fucking Americans, pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist

I am Australian, and what are you complaining about? New Zealand is just two sheep and you, I doubt it even has any guns /joke


Jokes aside, America has by far the worst gun problem and for reasons unbeknownst to me is the nations SUPPOSED to be leading us and at the forefront of everything. No idea who decided to make it so or how Murica as a country even got that size.

[Erkki]

I don't know of any country that outlaws hunting rifles. Most require a licence, but it's kinda hard to go on a killing spree or whatever with one. Unless you're White Death or something, I guess.

IIRC Best Korea, Vietnam, China. Or at least its very difficult to acquire a gun in China, better not have any bad thoughts about the government. Also, Soviet Union. Nazi Germany. Very strict gun control is a theme in totalitarian nations, I guess people are easier to move to Siberia when they can't fight back.

edit: oh right Mexico too. Proportionally they have a much, much worse gun problem than US ever did.