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[Cormack]

What are other most complex games, I mean DF level of complexity.

I know Aurora the space sim, it is indeed quite complex but it literslly takes about 10 minutes to do one turn after about 50 years ingame so I passed.

Preferably strategy, roguelike, 4X or simulation.

[Cthulhu]

Gary Grigsby's wargames are ridiculously complex.  War in the Pacific is barely a game.

[Ekaton]

A lot of Matrix's games are quite complex - apart from those mentioned already I highly recommend Command Modern Air/Naval Operations which is probably the most realistic naval and air warfare simulator available now and also I recommend Hearts of Iron III with Black Ice mod and its Total War sub-mod, it is hard to get more complex than that.

[ThtblovesDF]

I guess...

Human Resource Maschine, that one game where you connect elements on mars, Braid...

[Antioch]

Factorio has nice complexity.

[Mech#4]

I'd say the city building sim series "Ceasar III, Pharaoh, Zeus" are pretty complex. There's a lot of different mechanics to keep track of and maintain, supplies for industries and so on. Once you get a hold of it all it's not hard but it's quite a few different things to keep in mind.

[dennislp3]

Ceasar/Pharoah/Zues are all the same game with different skins in my experience...and more like puzzle games really...once you find an optimal layout that's it...game over...no more fun because that's all there is to do anymore

[ParsleyPWG]

It's pretty old, but Space Empires V is pretty complex. They give you lots of options on how to customise your ship, although if you want a decent late game you need the Balance Mod. Otherwise the OP weapons become ridiculous.

[Retropunch]

Have you tried AI War? It's incredibly complex - hundreds of unit types and massive strategic depth. It's also one of the few games where I've actually felt like I was fighting an angry Artificial Intelligence, rather than just a long IF statement.

RL wise: Sil is a very complex tolkien based Rogulike (http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/), there's also Incursion which is great, although very buggy (search on the other games forum for an updated and slightly less buggy version).

4x wise: Distant Worlds is pretty complex, although I wouldn't say it's very difficult once you get the hang of it. Homeworld 2 can be extremely complex with some of the other mods - more in a strategic sense rather than a 'work out what stuff actually does' way.

I'd also second JA2 as a great one.

[hawkeye_de]

A lot of Matrix's games are quite complex - apart from those mentioned already I highly recommend Command Modern Air/Naval Operations which is probably the most realistic naval and air warfare simulator available now and also I recommend Hearts of Iron III with Black Ice mod and its Total War sub-mod, it is hard to get more complex than that.

I also recommend Command Modern Air/Naval Operations if you have any interest for a hyper-realistic post wwii tactical naval/air simulator. And of course DCS world, like flying the A-10.

[Neonivek]

Have you tried AI War? It's incredibly complex - hundreds of unit types and massive strategic depth. It's also one of the few games where I've actually felt like I was fighting an angry Artificial Intelligence, rather than just a long IF statement.

mmm ehhhh... I guess... The complexity sort of wears thin when you can basically build everything anyway.

[Erkki]

I'll second War in the Pacific: AE. See AARs on this forum. 

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[jocan2003]

Mars simulation project. Not really complex per say but fucking deep and detailed, dwarf fortress style deep and maybe even more. Think what would happen if DF became a space colony type simulator management. Sank so much hour in that thing its crazy deep and can be complex at time.

http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net/

[Folly]

X3 is the first game that comes to mind when I think of complexity. Though that may have been more an issue of poor UI design...pretty much every button on the keyboard had a function to learn.

[ParsleyPWG]

X3 is the first game that comes to mind when I think of complexity. Though that may have been more an issue of poor UI design...pretty much every button on the keyboard had a function to learn.

I wish X3 had a better UI, every time I would get too big/have too many factories it would just become tedious to play and I'd lose interest