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Re: A Kobold's Quest II
« Reply #315 on: November 25, 2007, 01:14:00 pm »

Actually, I thought about that. There are no paradoxes at all. Keep in mind that in how I portray it, it takes a specific range of actions to cause a paradox, doing any of the other actions that don't is ok. Any attempt to cause a paradox is prevented by the universe. About that, I'm using a theory that's a real theory on the subject but I forgot the name of it (which is good since I don't want to spoil it yet). It'll become apparent when I get to it, until then, I don't actually want to argue about it. I get the feeling that an argument would put a stain on the thread, although I don't mind discussing like this.
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« Reply #316 on: November 25, 2007, 04:35:00 pm »

I am now quite sure we are in the famous situation of everybody arguing for the same side while thinking the others are not, but these things are simply so hard to explain that we all use different examples and formulations to explain the same thing, and thus thinking the others mean something completely different.

Time IS set in stone, as time is were changes take place and thus cannot change itself, the universe is not COMPLETELY deterministic, However the system consisting of the universe + the RNG IS, also most things that seem random, for example the tumble of a dice or AlansL's example whit the guard, is not quantum probability, but rather just deterministic chaos.
Also the state of the universe consists of quantum probability waves, and those really never collapses absolutely and permanently, especially in situations involving heavy time travel, like in this story.

Actually AlanL it DO seem like we are at least thinking of very similar devices, once again great minds think alike.

But as I said we are probably arguing for the same thing.

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« Reply #317 on: November 25, 2007, 04:44:00 pm »

Great minds do not think alike. That's what the mediocre ones do. A great mind is the mind that thinks different.
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« Reply #318 on: November 25, 2007, 04:49:00 pm »

It seems like what we're doing is saying basically the same thing with different details, then focusing on those differing details. It's not even that relevant to the story though so I don't want to make a big deal of it.

And yes, great minds do differ, and they should. Science wouldn't work properly if nobody challenged anyone elses theories. Case in point when Galileo published his stuff and pissed off a whole lot of people because he thought differently.

I've found a few more adamantine 'clocks' and I'm letting a test run right now. If it fails, then I probably didn't find it and I'll continue the story without digging the stuff in the game.

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« Reply #319 on: November 25, 2007, 04:59:00 pm »

Great Minds think alike on some things and not on others, more specifically Great Minds think alike on facts and not creative ideas.

For example Great Minds would agree on what 98758914/(654^76)-9 equals, but would 8 year old humans?
The nature of the universe and the logic of time paradoxes are facts, albeit harder to figure out facts, thus requiring GREATER minds to agree than 98758914/(654^76)-9, but great enough minds WILL think alike.

If I were to write a story the result would not be half as great as this, because I'm a really lousy author, but even a good author would not write identical, the mythology of this story is not the same as DFs, but neither better or worse, these are examples of creative situations where Great Mind do not think alike, don't you think alike me?

Edit: now we are all arguing for that we are all are arguing for the same thing!  *slaps forehead*

The point about a scientist neading to think different for science to advance is true and I can counter it if I make a loooong argument about memetics, but all this is really of-topic so I won't.

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« Reply #320 on: November 25, 2007, 05:16:00 pm »

I see what you're saying (and thanks for the compliment), but when facts aren't concretely determined, it's often still open to debate. QM can be interpreted in several different ways it seems.

From the Wiki:
"The time evolution of wave functions is deterministic in the sense that, given a wavefunction at an initial time, it makes a definite prediction of what the wavefunction will be at any later time. During a measurement, the change of the wavefunction into another one is not deterministic, but rather unpredictable, i.e., random.

The probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics thus stems from the act of measurement."

Depending on how you look at it you could either say it is deterministic or it isn't, since measuring something could be as simple as looking at it or hearing it. I could be wrong, I'm just a high school student, not a Ph.D, but as far as the story goes I'm saying things tend to be non-deterministic.


Back on subject: getting close to finishing that adamantine test. If the next season change doesn't too-deep, then I've got it. If it does then I've probably not got it, and I don't want to do more tests because this takes a long time.

Edit: Nope, my efforts haven't changed anything. Well, at least I tried  :p
The story will be virtually unaffected, so this isn't a big deal.

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« Reply #321 on: November 25, 2007, 10:15:00 pm »

AlanL: on the wiki archive there's a note on how to turn off the end-game demon via a 4(6?)-byte hex edit.  it modifies the actual EXE, though.
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« Reply #322 on: November 25, 2007, 11:02:00 pm »

Didn't notice that. It's a bit late for one, though. Two, messing with the EXE might lead to some bad, irrecoverable things down the road, and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for the info anyway  :)
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« Reply #323 on: November 25, 2007, 11:44:00 pm »

Anyway, continuing on...
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Blitukus stopped his laughter, and let a sigh out of his nose. He thought about it... such action would send waves through the fabric of time... he didn't know what this would cause, but he could always try... still... He had soon before fought without regard to self-preservation, and now self-preservation became of an utmost importance, not for the sake of himself, but for the sake of his mother. He sighed and mumbled, "I am so sorry mother... if you can hear me, please forgive my mistakes..." He sat, motionless, allowing a moment of silence to pass.

I shall redeem myself... nobody dare threaten my mother... the demon will not prevail.

He had all that he needed to summon the powers of technology, and possibly the powers of magic. It was time to make it so. He stood, and picked up his helm. Then, he cleared the broken glass from the eyepiece. He used the glass furnace to make a replacement from some sand, then replaced it. He then put the helm back on, and continued refining the adamantine into wafers. It was a very long task... and as he carried the adamantine, a metal perfect in every way, the most beautiful and valuable as well as the most useful, he found that with each lump of raw adamantine he hauled, his guilt and regret was renewed. As the night wore on, stacks of adamantine were created. Blitukus thought... the ancients... if he somehow couldn't save his mother by traveling back to her death and preventing it... maybe the ancients would have a solution. Maybe the solution would lay at those coordinates he had received from the heavens above? He stopped for a drink, then continued. These were only to be resorted to if he couldn't save his mother... He continued further, stopping to eat... more mushrooms had grown elsewhere. He looked out the front door... the door was impeding the growth of the tower cap under it, but a large tower cap had grown to block the entrance to the tunnel. He would take care of it when he was finished. He continued, finding himself getting swifter and swifter at refining the adamantine until finally his workshops begun to become cluttered with the metal. A workshop cluttered with adamantine... every dwarven metalsmiths dream, but a grim reminder of mistakes and duty to Blitukus. He had spent all night and into the morning, and finally, he had enough adamantine for whatever he would possibly need... luckily, each individual device wouldn't need much. A single thread was as good as any wire for carrying current. He set down his tools, took the suit off, then went back to bed, his heart still heavy from the 'deal' he had made... He allowed himself to fall asleep after sketching designs in his books and reviewing what he knew. That day he had an odd dream. He found himself standing in a pitch black space, yet he was fully lit. He was standing upon a glass-like transparent surface, that seemed to extend infinitely in all directions. Slowly, a dark sphere descended from the sky... it was half his size. It landed before him, and rested. It was of a similar construct to the amulet, although obviously different in function... it was ancient cat make. Blitukus rolled the dark sphere around, looking at the crystals embedded within its machine-made surface. There was a gap in the structure, and Blitukus peered inside. Within, he saw the fabric of space... being processed. Blitukus didn't understand what the device was doing with the fabric of space... but it revealed something at the scale of fundamental particles that he had not observed at first... it was what the gods sought from the universe. It was pure energy... so enormously dense that even the smallest spaces could yield enough to power the most vast civilizations for millenia... it was the treasure that the dragon of the universe guarded... so much energy, it was unspeakably large, a number that extended with countless digits into the realms of the most enormous scales. This device... it somehow worked with such unspeakable forces. Blitukus felt curious about its function. He summoned powers from within himself, channeling it into the device... it began to glow. It soon began to radiate out energy, light shining through the cracks with blinding intensity. The crystals glowed with similar intensity, until, all of a sudden, it stopped, the entire device darkening. For a moment, Blitukus felt disappointed, then suddenly... all seemed to shatter. The pitch black around him all at once turned a blinding white, a roar of an explosion not coming from the sphere, but surrounding him. It was as if the energy had all been released, resulting in an explosion that permeated every point in space throughout every point in time. All faded to white, then Blitukus woke up. He was unsure of what the dream meant... was it an actual device... or was it symbolic of something? Was it something he would cause or something he was meant to prevent?

Blitukus got up, and felt as if he were standing within a charged space... he realized the true scale of what the gods were fighting over. Within this one universe lay so much energy.... the god that controlled it might very well become the only god throughout all universes... Blitukus sighed. Was this energy a natural phenomena, or was it meant for something else? He walked over to the river, and drank. Such things were the subject of powers beyond his grasp... but there was one power that lay within his future grasp, and soon would be under his control.

2 gigawatts... a lightning bolt unleashed within a room. Exciting... yet intimidating. For the sake of my mothers soul I must proceed with the utmost care.

He had adamantine to carry the final burst, but in order to generate and store the energy, he needed bronze, magnetite, and silver... lots of silver. First, he needed to clear some excess flora. He had steel left over from making his suit. He carved a stone axe, then forged the remaining steel into the tip of the blade. He then took the axe, and used it to fell the tower cap blocking the tunnel, then proceeded to fell a nearby tower cap that had sprung up on the shore of the cave river. Blitukus had produced his own wood at the very top of the ice cap, where none would expect any lumber to arise.

   

It would become the pearlash that would be used to create crystal glass. Blitukus felt his guilt dwindle... his deal, it wasn't a mistake. It was his only choice. And now, he was better off because of it.

Beforehand, I had a chance of meeting my mother... now I will contact my mother again, for I must, for her sake as well as mine... chance no longer has anything to do with that.

He moved the 'wood' into his halls to prevent it from being washed away. He then exchanged the axe for the pickaxe. Each dynamo would take 3 stacks of silver bars to assemble, he needed 5 dynamos. Each sheet for the capacitor would need 2 stacks of silver bars... he needed 4 sheets. 2 stacks of silver bars could be used to form all of the wire that would be needed to string it all together. The total was 25 stacks of silver bars... a greedy merchants fantasy, but Blitukus held no consideration to monetary value. He dug out 25 lumps of galena, burrowing quite a distance into the vein. He then took the galena back, and started smelting it down, pouring the lead and the silver bars. He thought about it... what use would he have for all of the lead? Then, it occurred to him... the lead was vital to his life. The charged particle cannon would cast off many particles that had yet to be named, particles with extreme energy that would wreak havoc with Blitukus' fundamental structure as these projectile particles flew through him. Lead was known to absorb such damaging rays, and could be used as a shield to keep the most hazardously radiant portions of the device contained. He had made over 20 stacks of bars, but decided to tend to his hunger and thirst.

It is now summer.

When he was done eating and drinking, he continued, smelting down the rest of the galena. The smelter was very cluttered, the most cluttered it had ever been when he had finished. That being done, he now needed a magma forge... a magma forge the scale of which hadn't been attempted before. Luckily, this one needn't be complex at all since it was only intended to produce one thing. Blitukus thought about how he would go about it for a while... he would need a flat surface for the silver to settle upon, and it would have to have a rim, otherwise the silver would simply spill out into the magma. There could be small ducts dug through the floor beneath to allow magma to fill it... yes, that would be how he would make it. He picked a spot further down, and proceeded to dig out what he had in mind. He found his skill in mining made this a much easier task. While digging it out, he happened upon a cluster of aquamarines, and proceeded to dig it out. He then dug the channels surrounding his intended platform, then smoothed the middle, leaving a rim around the edge.

   

Then, he dug the small ducts into the side of the channel that would allow magma deeper in order to heat the stone 'floor'. After that, he moved the gems and rocks out of the construction area, and shut off all magma and water flow. When the magma tunnels had emptied, Blitukus breached the wall of it across from the inlet to his new magma forge. He then salvaged parts from his old experimental magma loop in order to build the inlet. As he was taking apart the inlet to the old magma loop experiment... he slipped. The floodgate holding the magma back wasn't safely removed, instead it came crashing down nearly onto Blitukus, ripping the pulleys out of the walls. This wasn't the worst of it. Since the magma hadn't been properly stopped up, the floodgate having crashed down... it spilled through the broken inlet, then spilled OUT of the broken inlet, spilling into the damaged experimental loop, flooding it... and slowly spilling out into the walkway. The magma hissed and bubbled. Blitukus stepped back as the flood expanded, and finally stood, realizing the magnitude of that one slip-up, put his hands on his head and yelled in sheer frustration and regret. There was a glooping sound. He looked... parts that had never been designed to hold back a magma flood were holding it back... for now.

   

It was now time to properly decommission the magma loop, and plug the inlets... accidents do happen, but that was much too close. He dug around the damaged structure, and walked to the end of the tunnel, shutting off the entire magma feed. The magma slowly cleared, and it was safe to continue. Blitukus tore down all that he needed in order to manage his new construct, and placed it, digging the inlet to his new, larger 'forge'. He uprooted an old lever, and reinstalled it to function as the new control for the new inlet. Then, he tore down the floodgates at the heart of the loop, and used them to plug the now broken old inlet. After finishing, he walked back down the tunnel and opened the magma intake once more. The magma flowed, and was stopped at the now-plugged inlet, flooding out no more. He looked at what remained of his old experiment, and sighed through his nose.

   

The days when that experiment was just being performed for the first time, even though those days were relatively recent, seem like a simpler and happier time. Much progress has been made, and there is still hope... but what lies within the future?

He raised his head. There was still hope, at least in his heart. He opened the water inlet and allowed the tunnel to fill with water, then opened his new inlet. He stopped for a drink himself as it filled. Then, he shut off the water, and used the muddiness of the channel and blocks remaining from the old magma loop experiment to bridge over the inlet channel. Then, he disassembled the other old bridge, and used the blocks to bridge over one segment of the channel, allowing him to cross should the channel be filled with water. He got rid of the excess debris, then opened up the magma inlet for the boiler. Steam shot out as magma chased water down the channel. He then opened the inlet to his new 'forge'... magma fried the water from the muddy channels, and seeped into the ducts, slowly making the smooth stone surface glow red with heat.

   

It was likely the worlds largest magma forge... and also the worlds simplest. It would get the job done, a large tool for a large undertaking. He looked into the churning magma, the force that had nearly killed him now obediently powering his machines once again. The old might decay and wither as time passed, but time also brought the arrival of the new. Progress would continue to be made. Blitukus shut off the magma inlet and allowed the magma to drain. Finally, construction was beginning... and such a large project would take a proportionally large amount of time to complete. Luckily, Blitukus had all the time in the world.

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« Reply #324 on: November 26, 2007, 05:38:00 am »

Beyond Quality!
You are truly amazing AlanL!

Since I got the first post:
"This is a admantine beyond quality award.
It is encircled whit bands of magnetite.
It menaces whit arcs of electricity.
On the item is a image if a kobold and a demon in star sapphire, the kobold is laughing, the demon is making a submissive gesture.
on the item is a eerie glowing glyph in uranium, the glyphs power is yet unknown."

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« Reply #325 on: November 26, 2007, 07:29:00 pm »

I have a feeling that my keeping the reward violates a few materials restrictions... (but it's only illegal if you get cought  :)

To be honest, I used to think I would never be able to make any art suitable for the web. I'm glad I proved myself wrong. Thanks again  :)

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« Reply #326 on: November 26, 2007, 11:51:00 pm »

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First, Blitukus needed to dig out the space in which he would build his machine... he had a general knowledge of where everything would need to be thanks to his sketches, and knew what he needed to dig. He decided on a spot on the wall to tunnel into. The machine needn't be far from his home; putting it so close would make construction much quicker as it was also much closer to the smelter and forges. He reached the wall and thought about what he was about to do. This was the official beginning of the construction of the machine... and yet the entire endeavor, all four years of it, seemed all of a sudden so short.

My mother is dead.... I still sometimes find myself in disbelief thinking about it. It seems so hard to accept as a true event... yet it is. All up to this point has been mere preparation for this project... and now I begin.

His goal, among all of the wonders and machines, struggles and mistakes, had remained the same. He just wanted to be with his mother again one last time, to make everything right once again. He had often thought it would be so... and now was time to make it so. He raised his pickaxe, and struck the wall, sending rock flying back to the other side of the hall.

He tunneled beyond his room, and began to dig a vast circular chamber. He dug, and dug, and dug some more, and finally became exhausted. He retired to sleep. That day, he continued his design work in his sleep, his dream an experimental realm with which to test and perfect new ideas. He wouldn't refuse... he needed all of the time to perfect his design he could get. He refined his ideas regarding the dynamos and capacitors. When he awoke, he allowed himself a brief period for his body to fully awaken, then continued what he had started. When he finished the circular chamber... he looked around. The floors were littered with stone and ore, but those could be moved as needed. It was a room the size of which could fully accommodate a king. Technically, he was a king, king of a nation of one... yet he still regarded himself as a prince. The room was large but only machines would reside within.

He looked around, picturing the majestic power of the machine... but allowed the picture to fade, revealing the vast but still bare and rubble-cluttered room. That machine still lay within the future, a day that time was slowly ticking towards. First, he would assemble the capacitor. He left the room, and moved 2 stacks of silver bars into the now cool giant forge. Then, he opened the magma inlet, and stood by, watching the silver melt. He watched as the bars melted down, the molten metal pooling, contained neatly by the rim.

Then, he pulled the lever once more, and waited for the silver to cool as the magma drained away. Eventually, the glow disappeared. Blitukus put on the boots to his suit, and lay adamantine strands across the molten silver, the wires that would control the charge and discharge of the plate. He made sure they were spaced evenly, then stood back, waiting for it to cool. Finally, it solidified.

Blitukus waited for it to cool the rest of the way, then walked over to the beautiful, shiny sheet, adamantine wires sticking out of the bottom. The sheet was very thin, able to be easily bent by hand while it was cool. Blitukus rolled the sheet up, then lugged it away, into the chamber. He repeated the entire process 3 more times. At such high voltages, there was a danger of energy arcing out of the capacitor and onto surrounding equipment... He decided to dig out an alcove to place the capacitor. This would also save on materials as well, since the rock could be chiseled into a structural support as well as an insulator. In fact, much of the larger components would require an alcove... the interior of the chamber would be filled with smaller control machines as well as magma and water channels to power boilers. Not to mention, the inner space would need to be clear for the silver spheres and the electromagnetic fields they would create. When he had dug the alcove and cleared it, he connected the ends of the 4 silver sheets to make 2 long strips. He then stopped for a meal, but as soon as he finished...

You hear a deep rumbling coming from the cavern.

Immediately he knew what it was. He had forgotten what he had read those years ago, and had now remembered. He had made the chamber far too big... and now it might soon prove to have some rather inconvenient results. He immediately rushed to assemble a support from nearby stone, and, finding the mountain had stopped shifting, its movement arrested by the pillar, he continued on what he was doing. He smoothed the inside of the alcove carving supporting notches into the front and back of the alcove to hold up the silver. He stopped half way through to get a drink. He had left the corner open, but closed it, breaking apart a stone, smoothing what resulted, then assembling a wall to plug up the corner. He then placed proper supports and removed the makeshift one he had placed earlier. Finally, he placed the large silver strips inside of the alcove, bent into spirals, the surfaces of the two strips spaced very near one another. After he fixed the spirals in place, he linked the adamantine wires together into two large wires, one for each strip. He dug a small hole through the wall, and fed the wires through, using more adamantine to create two branches for each lead, one branch to go back to the dynamos, another branch to discharge from. Then, he walked back to the glass furnace, took the bag, scooped up sand into it, then forged the into a window which he used to make the capacitor liquid-tight save for a small opening on the top. Then, he returned to his large forge and begun to clean all of the contaminants away... but realized, this forge wouldn't be suitable. He walked back to his work room, disassembled the craftsman's workshop, then used the blocks to build a simple still. Then he used the heat of the nearby magma to distill water. He thoroughly cleaned his bucket, then used it to transfer the distilled water to the capacitor, bucket by bucket, slowly filling it. Finally, it was done. Blitukus stared through the glass window at the submerged insides of the capacitor.

It was a truly enormous capacitor, designed to hold a truly enormous charge. Now he needed the capacity to generate that charge. He began to forge the 15 spools of wire that would be needed. Silver was easy to work with, and he found it progressed swiftly. Blitukus stopped for a drink, then finished forging the spools of wire. Then, he dug a new alcove in which he would place the dynamos, moved rubble from near it, and then began moving the spools of wire near the new alcove. After this, he forged 2 more spools of wire... the wire that would string the conventional equipment together... then brought them to the large chamber. Still more was needed... he didn't need any steel for the dynamos, bronze would suffice despite its weight. 20 stacks of bronze bars were needed to forge supports for the dynamos and pistons to drive them, 10 large lumps of glass were needed to insulate the wires, and 10 stacks of magnetite blocks were needed to form the rotors. This was already spiraling beyond what he had ever spent before on a project, but any cost was worth the reward he was seeking. Plus, this power source was the infrastructure that would drive all of the other equipment, and thus was the most resource-intensive to build of all the devices. Blitukus considered the thought of salvaging the components from the wave generator, but decided against it. It still might be needed if he couldn't save his mother directly. Blitukus got to work scooping sand and melting it down into the 10 large lumps of green glass, then chipped them down to the insulation he needed. He interrupted his work to stop to eat, then finding himself exhausted from a long days work, retired to bed again. During that days sleep he continued to refine his designs in his dream. More and more of the machine turned from sketch to solid plan. It seemed that all moments, waking or otherwise, were in some way dedicated to building this machine. He woke up, and proceeded to get a drink from the river. He quickly washed himself off in the river, then continued to produce the glass. As he processed the material, he thought about his situation regarding food. He wasn't running low yet but he would be soon. He acknowledged this, finished producing the raw lumps of glass, then chipped them down into proper parts.

Autumn has come.

Viewing his second thought... he considered it a good idea to finish cutting the glass and use that as a stopping point to plant more crops. Blitukus flooded the farm room, then shut off the flow, allowing the water to sink in to the dirt. He plowed the then fertile soil, and began planting the plump helmet spawn within it. He stopped to drink after a while then continued planting until the fields had all been occupied. Upon planting the last seed, he thought about nature... all technology and all magic were, in the complete, full picture, derived from the ores and rough gems that nature provided, the energies of mana and electricity that nature provided, and the beings that constructed the tools of magic and technology were fed by the food that nature provided. Nature, in all of its beauty, was just a function of the universe. Indeed, it seemed the universe potentially was much kinder to its civilizations that it was to the gods within it. Perhaps the more advanced civilizations were less prone to be subjugated by the gods? Then why did the universe take sides? There was likely more to the situation than was readily visible, but it seemed beyond the scope of what Blitukus was trying to achieve. He had dedicated his efforts to his own quest, and he would allow no further distractions from the task at hand outside of what was needed. The rest of the world could wait. It wouldn't be much longer now anyway.
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It's a bit short, but there's only so much in-game construction and story writing that can be done, and I try to mirror story events in the game as much as possible, and in turn mirror game events in the story whenever it fits.

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« Reply #327 on: November 27, 2007, 12:58:00 am »

FIRST POST! Now to read it.

EDIT: Blitikus you fool... if you hadn't been fast enough I would have taken on that succubus to get your soul for myself so I could torture it.

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« Reply #328 on: November 27, 2007, 12:59:00 am »

Nice pounce  :p
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« Reply #329 on: November 27, 2007, 01:03:00 am »

Thank you.
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