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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2016, 08:05:12 pm »

Oh, I don't think anyone says he shouldn't be fired for what he did. He was an asshole, through and through.

The show was still hilarious, is all.
A lot of people said he shouldn't
That being the fastest growing petition Change.org's ever had and all

The number of people who think Clarkson should have been fired are a very small minority amongst everyone here, at least going off my own experience when the media wouldn't shut up about fracas - thus placing that word on the maps
Seriously, I've never met a single person in real life who thought so

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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2016, 08:08:06 pm »

Would you employ someone who will beat up and abuse staff for basically no reason?
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2016, 08:14:40 pm »

If they were incredibly popular and the entire reason my show was profitable... yes.
And besides that, he's a cool dude so as long as I wasn't Irish I'd keep him on anyway. :P

I've never met anyone who agreed with him being fired, either...
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2016, 08:16:28 pm »

Would you employ someone who will beat up and abuse staff for basically no reason?
Clear misrepresentation - witnesses say no punches were thrown, which in my opinion is a bit of a disappointment, but you know, for sake of argument let's keep the narrative going. The producer is not random staff and Clarkson is not an old fart, not some brutal thug beating up and abusing staff with an iron fist and a body of muscle xD - Least of all, cos this is the guy who's only been in one fight, with Piers Morgan.

Nah see, the producer is in charge of running the show in all daily management aspects and the producer failed to have any hot food on set. Well ok, shit happens, the chef's gone home - but to be so stingy as to hold out £20 on a steak? For the guy making you $150M revenue? Yeah, you can afford £20 or you're being an arse.

Plus anyone who punches Piers Morgan in the face is good in my books.

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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2016, 09:37:17 pm »

That one unnamed witness cited in an article from over a year ago said he didn't, but they were probably mistaken because more recent articles all say that a punch was thrown and the producer was bloodied by it. Jeremy Clarkson has also admitted it and paid a settlement to the producer involved.

And just to be clear you think someone not giving you a steak is a good reason to punch them in the face?

The person to blame for Jeremy Clarkson's sacking is Jeremy Clarkson. If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at him.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2016, 09:48:32 pm »

That one unnamed witness cited in an article from over a year ago said he didn't, but they were probably mistaken because more recent articles all say that a punch was thrown and the producer was bloodied by it. Jeremy Clarkson has also admitted it and paid a settlement to the producer involved.
"Articles" can eat poo, I have little faith in the say of heresay. Police inquiry dropped it cos there was nothing to go on but the producer went to A&E for a swollen lip so I'm gonna assume two and two, swollen lip + fracas = punching

And just to be clear you think someone not giving you a steak is a good reason to punch them in the face?
No, I think stingy producers should do their job or get punched in the face

The person to blame for Jeremy Clarkson's sacking is Jeremy Clarkson.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2016, 10:03:50 pm »

I liked the irreverence, it is what made the show work. But it crossed the line on "cheeky jests" to "violent primadonna with some racism thrown in." He's one lurid abusive phone call to his significant other away from being like Mel Gibson. Or kinda like how when Christian Bale went off on a camera man like a total prick, I just don't enjoy watching them do their thing anymore. Celebrities get to be bad people too, but I don't blame the BBC for firing him. He did that on his own. Would you keep your job for verbal abusing your boss and slapping them around over some trite bullshit? Nah. Why should he? Because he does dumb, amusing things in cars and also speaks with authority? They just need to find better talent.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2016, 10:10:22 pm »

Clarkson was good because he was an asshole, we need more assholes on TV
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2016, 11:06:02 pm »

I liked the irreverence, it is what made the show work. But it crossed the line on "cheeky jests" to "violent primadonna with some racism thrown in."
What line?

He's one lurid abusive phone call to his significant other away from being like Mel Gibson. Or kinda like how when Christian Bale went off on a camera man like a total prick, I just don't enjoy watching them do their thing anymore.
Yeah and you're one murder away from being a murderer :P

Celebrities get to be bad people too, but I don't blame the BBC for firing him. He did that on his own.
Ha, after about the first two days the BBC's hands were tied because they backed themself into a corner with fracas pie
No one can blame them for anything once that ship set sail, considering how they control a significant share of British media yeah they dug that pit ;)

Would you keep your job for verbal abusing your boss and slapping them around over some trite bullshit? Nah.
That's cos I'm nothing special and it's not my job to make muggy banter, whereas in Clarkson's case without him the show would be nothing

Why should he? Because he does dumb, amusing things in cars and also speaks with authority? They just need to find better talent.
The question is irrelevant because it's 1 year on and I didn't expect a debate, expecting more commentary on the New Top Gear but evidently no one here watched it LOL

In lieu of anyone actually watching it or paying respects, way I see it is like this - with the Frankie Boyles of the world getting roasted off and replaced with diversity quotas, every now and then there's a rare banterous guy who just doesn't give a shit, who doesn't have a stick up their arse or have any agendas they're pushing and it's refreshing to see loads of people getting insanely angry over this, this walking middle finger

You gotta appreciate as well, there comes a point where everyone's sick of limp journalists dictating everything to everyone that to have someone run in, screw all the rules and punch all their smug faces (fuck you Piers Morgan) is something we can all appreciate.
Like all jokes aside, if you asked people completely unawares that you were really asking about fracas fracas, and asked them - are you in favour of punching people in the face? Most people who'd be giving you a serious answer would be all, no - no I am not generally in favour of punching people in the face in most circumstances. When it comes to this though I think it's mostly cos the media was playing keepy uppy again to make news sexy again and to steal market share from the Beeb, to which the only real winners were Amazon Prime and the people having fun along the way - i.e., the banter must flow, and 99% of the people enraged by Clarkson or for Clarkson deserved the best rage they were capable of sustaining before getting bored and liking the latest ragebait on facebook

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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2016, 11:25:41 pm »

... Also, what the fuck is a "kek"? Of all the stupid internet terms that get thrown around, that is perhaps the most obnoxious.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2016, 11:38:54 pm »

Frankie Boyle on Clarkson:
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"He comes from a very bad place and the reason he's tolerated is because he's recognised by people in power; they know people like Clarkson.
"In fact, he knows Cameron, he's a friend of Cameron. He's in there like a f----- growth and he should be removed because he's horrible."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11053269/Frankie-Boyle-BBC-should-sack-cultural-tumour-Jeremy-Clarkson.html
Frankie Boyle is genuinely good and I'm glad the BBC seems to be letting him back on a bit.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2016, 12:19:56 am »

Frankie Boyle is genuinely good and I'm glad the BBC seems to be letting him back on a bit.
Yeah, dunno why people get so angry at Frankie when they in all likelihood agree with the actual person, even if they find the act distasteful - missing the point. Just like his tour, I Would Happily Punch Every One of You in the Face - besides his Diana joke, he roasts some little kid so hard it's the only other time he's got me to wince ;P

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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2016, 12:36:43 am »

I liked the irreverence, it is what made the show work. But it crossed the line on "cheeky jests" to "violent primadonna with some racism thrown in."
What line?

The one where you strangely seem to be ok with it, despite some real talk there at the bottom. You know if he'd just punched a guy, I almost might respect him a little bit for all that "maverick" stuff you seem to cheer, since we really don't know how the other guy comported himself. I'm not sure it should matter. But the denigrating where people come from, and he's done a lot of that, making that part of your personal beef with someone, is that just....ok by you? Just "saying what we're all thinkin'"? Because I'd disagree with that.

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That's cos I'm nothing special and it's not my job to make muggy banter, whereas in Clarkson's case without him the show would be nothing

And that is of more import than anything, including character? I guess I kinda care about the character of the people I spend my time to be entertained by. I have a hard time watching Mark Wahlberg after alllll the shit he's done in his past, some of which he's still not apologized for. Consider him the extreme end of the scale for whether or not who celebrities actually are as people matters.

Frankie Boyle is genuinely good and I'm glad the BBC seems to be letting him back on a bit.
Yeah, dunno why people get so angry at Frankie when they in all likelihood agree with the actual person, even if they find the act distasteful - missing the point. Just like his tour, I Would Happily Punch Every One of You in the Face - besides his Diana joke, he roasts some little kid so hard it's the only other time he's got me to wince ;P

In this case I think it makes the point. We don't go around punching people in the face over a cold dinner because we know we're not anything special. That's the idea I don't really hold truck with. I found him amusing and liked the show, but that doesn't make him special or above the rules to me. You act the jackass, you eventually get treated like one. Life in this instance confirms my desire for how the world should tick. I also don't idolize the man. I'd describe him as a "knob but I like him" were it not for the pattern of racism that keeps coming up.

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The question is irrelevant because it's 1 year on and I didn't expect a debate, expecting more commentary on the New Top Gear but evidently no one here watched it LOL

Alright alright, I've said my bit. TBH I didn't watch it that regularly before but enjoyed it when I would happen across it. And I've read the trainwreck that is following, now. I didn't know they'd casted "Joey", I think most Americans could have told you that was a pretty...questionable casting decision. That's the kind of guy that values their life enough to use stunt drivers, which is what made the previous cast so real. More than a couple times I thought they'd seriously hurt themselves, and I've done dumb things in cars enough in my life to at least appreciate that. I couldn't see Matt LeBlanc doing that believably except under very fussy circumstances.

Top Brit Kek Evans sounds like another hand grenade waiting to go off.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2016, 12:53:11 am »

It's probably better this way. I watched the show regularly (cut down noticeably by BBC:A to fit the more ad-concentrated US television slots, but they were the only ones showing it. Such is life.) before this whole kerfuffle and it'd be a shame to see it plodding around for who knows how long riding the popularity it had in life. And no, I didn't watch the new episode, heh.
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Re: Top Kek: Goodbye to Top Gear
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2016, 01:29:39 am »

The one where you strangely seem to be ok with it, despite some real talk there at the bottom.
Real talk is all there is to it, I don't otherwise care

You know if he'd just punched a guy, I almost might respect him a little bit for all that "maverick" stuff you seem to cheer, since we really don't know how the other guy comported himself. I'm not sure it should matter. But the denigrating where people come from, and he's done a lot of that, making that part of your personal beef with someone, is that just....ok by you? Just "saying what we're all thinkin'"? Because I'd disagree with that.
If this was just maverick lol random, nah that'd just be boring as hell. What's so special about denigrating where people come from? You honestly think that's inexcusable where you could excuse punching a guy in the face depending on how the other bloke comported themself? The hell does that even mean ;D
Who's bringing up saying what we're all thinking, he's not a politician he's just a guy who pisses people off on Tele m8, the stakes are so low there's no need for political phrases
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I don't understand people who want denigration that doesn't denigrate. Seems to be rather self-defeating don't it? Sorta why I've tuned out from the last comedy shows I watched down to Charlie Brooker (cos he's a cynical git and funny, entirely unrelated to this thread but worth mentioning cos he's quality), because they want to be edgy and safe. It's like the people who tone down violence in order to make it more accessible to children, or the people who look for safe ways to offend someone else - you've got a serious internal conflict there

And that is of more import than anything, including character? I guess I kinda care about the character of the people I spend my time to be entertained by. I have a hard time watching Mark Wahlberg after alllll the shit he's done in his past, some of which he's still not apologized for. Consider him the extreme end of the scale for whether or not who celebrities actually are as people matters.
Yeah that is clearly of more import than anything, especially character. If you think you can be moral and consume media you're dead wrong, the whole thing is scummy from top to bottom, the only thing you can argue about is how scummy. Show business is ruthless, idiotic, progressive, racist, pedophiles, prudes, power brokers, murderers, so on and so forth - standing right next to all the angels of the earth. Sadly this also means the angels can end up turning out to be some of the more unflattering in the former list, point being if you think you can find good characterd entertainment wholly free from vipers you're deluding yourself - finding those who actually care about self image, whilst only succeeding in filtering out those who don't care about media image. I just don't bother altogether, seeing stuff I like and stuff I don't, I find it hilarious that it's all fine and good to enjoy the words of warlords but muggy banter is the line

In this case I think it makes the point. We don't go around punching people in the face over a cold dinner because we know we're not anything special. That's the idea I don't really hold truck with. I found him amusing and liked the show, but that doesn't make him special or above the rules to me. You act the jackass, you eventually get treated like one. Life in this instance confirms my desire for how the world should tick. I also don't idolize the man. I'd describe him as a "knob but I like him" were it not for the pattern of racism that keeps coming up.
I get you, I just don't care and the fact that he makes all loads of people angry over patterns of racism adds to the appeal, I like Frankie Boyle's description of him as a cultural tumour rather apt here - it's like you combine cars with /b/ and throw it onto prime TV to enrage all the cultured socialites whilst giving all the masses the biting satire they need to laugh at their own misery. Hilarious, quality anticulture
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The question is irrelevant because it's 1 year on and I didn't expect a debate, expecting more commentary on the New Top Gear but evidently no one here watched it LOL
Alright alright, I've said my bit. TBH I didn't watch it that regularly before but enjoyed it when I would happen across it. And I've read the trainwreck that is following, now. I didn't know they'd casted "Joey", I think most Americans could have told you that was a pretty...questionable casting decision. That's the kind of guy that values their life enough to use stunt drivers, which is what made the previous cast so real. More than a couple times I thought they'd seriously hurt themselves, and I've done dumb things in cars enough in my life to at least appreciate that. I couldn't see Matt LeBlanc doing that believably expect under very fussy circumstances.
The way I reckon it, after the whole thing blew up there is no one they could've gotten to fill the gap. They tried a whole rebranding thing with diversity and a total lack of moistness to get a new demographic but there's no overlap there, so obviously it's gonna die. I'm sure Beeb were hopeful that the show could still live on, but I don't think they were exactly expectant of any results. If you look at the guests they try to get on, there was that thing with canceling and all because few really wanted to go on new gear... Perhaps there were other, better hosts who just didn't want to touch the poison potato of dead people walking.
I just love the symbolism of it all too, cheeky Evans promises not to follow the boots of naughty schoolboy Clarkson - but the stress and expectation of results, the controversies surrounding him offending people, the actual performance itself - in the end he walks the boots of Clarkson, only without a sense of humour. I'm not too caught up on this derail since it's clearly more fruitful a discussion than the original topic, which pretty much concluded after 3 posts.
I'm honestly surprised the celebrities don't crack more than Humpty Dumpty in a wall factory, with all them eyes on them looking for drugs, fracas and lewdness. What worries me about Evans is that he's getting really nervous about maintaining nothing's wrong. I hope at least Joey from Friends makes it out alive lol, he actually added entertainment to the show. Only criticism you can really have on him is that it's clear he's "acting," you know - like he's a character and not just being himself, reading from a script, but that would be workable if they wanted to make the show seem more scripted and finished

And quite topically as this is probably going to be the last time anyone mentions the new show, quite tellingly the new gear lived in the shadow of the old gear's rotting corpse. Tried passing off jokes and all, they should've left it behind and just moved on. Their hosts not driving is a bit much, I can pass off their lack of maintenance skills as it's not like they can't learn over time, but they needed to establish their scripted identity fast
Cos we're being symbolic and all about Evans continuing the cycle of fracas, gonna be symbolic and all with the show - the Viper vs Vette, two fast cars racing with guns and missiles on top... Nothing fires, nothing happens. Why not just take off the guns and missiles if they're not doing anything and have the hosts and cars stand on their own feet? Producer's working hard in the wrong direction
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