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[jocan2003]

In the X serie game you can specialise in trading, build manufacturing station, ensure their safety from attacks, set up logistic line for either ressource gathering or buyin and selling etc.

[MrWiggles]

Space Colony.

Game Biz 3. (presumably the previous game biz games.)
X space game franchise.
EVE.

Do you have a link for Space Colony? I've seen it on wikipedia but i'm not sure if that's the game you were referring to as there seems to be several other games called that.

I reviewed the manual for X, and i couldn't find anything about finance or economy besides trading. is there any form of banking or security trading, even if minimal?

I have the same question with EVE. I have reviewed the economy section on EVE online's wikipedia page, and it looks pretty developed as far as trade goes, but I do not see very many financial tools regarding dynamic banking or investing. Let me know if you have any information on this please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Colony_(video_game)
In Space Colony, you manage a colony, with a particular economic goal, and managing folks, to work supply trains.

EVE economics are outside the game as much as they are inside the game. Their commodity market fluctuates based on supply and demand. ISK, the currency you buy in game time with is a physical currency within the game, thatcan be traded around.  There is also a very heavy services industry as well, which is all ad hoc with very little explict in game tools for them.There arent any stocks to my knowledge, yet but thats probably because EVE company cant really give out money without having to become a legal bank.

[Abram Jones]

You have capitalism on the list. I suggest getting CAPITALISM LAB (stand-alone expansion for cap II). When it comes to economic games, you don't really need anything else. Unless you are looking for something simpler.
To add to your list: GearCity. It's a pearl in an ocean, although buggy.

I wasn't aware that Capitalism Lab was a stand alone, I thought it was simply an expansion of Capitalism 2 (which I have played). What are the differences in Capitalism Lab in comparison to Capitalism 2?

I have heard of GearCity but did not add it to the list, isn't it another version of Detroit? (which is already on the list of games that did not qualify)

[Abram Jones]

I think Rise of Venice would fit the bill.  Also the Patrician and Port Royale series which were forerunners.

I have looked into Rise of Venice, and have not been able to spot any dynamic banking or other investing elements to the game, which is surprising, because in this time period banking was extremely important and even stock trading had its beginnings. Correct me if I am wrong on the gameplay of this. Also, Port Royale is on the list of games that did not qualify (I will add Patrician also). Thanks for the information though.

[Abram Jones]

There's Trade Empires by the makers of the Imperialism series, which is a trading game about managing land trade networks in time periods from Mesopotamia through the 1800s.  I could never get far in it because I couldn't get into the paradigm of making the most money, not just trying to develop the economy, and it does have a sort of confusing interface, but it's definitely good at what it does.

Imperialism was a pretty fun game, but also didn't have the financial dynamics required for the list (you may have noticed that it was placed on the list of games that did not qualify). It looks like Trade Empires is the same way. It would have been nice if they did put such features into the game considering that ancient Mesopotamia had some of the first recorded regulations on loans. Let me know if you recall anything like this in the game, if not, thanks for the suggestion anyway (:

[Abram Jones]

Would The Guild count?

As far as I can tell no. From what I see it has supply and demand economics like many other of these games, but it does not have any type of dynamic banking or security trading. Let me know if I'm wrong though.

[Abram Jones]

There's Trade Empires by the makers of the Imperialism series, which is a trading game about managing land trade networks in time periods from Mesopotamia through the 1800s.  I could never get far in it because I couldn't get into the paradigm of making the most money, not just trying to develop the economy, and it does have a sort of confusing interface, but it's definitely good at what it does.

Similarly, the Imperialism games themselves.  Especially the first one.

Imperialism is already on the games that do not qualify list (because of a lack of financial dynamics).

[Abram Jones]

I would add dynatech on that economy list. It's from 1992 and in german language, but a well made true economy game.

I don't think it qualifies judging by the description on MobyGames. It may be in depth in terms of industry and supply/demand trading, but it says nothing about methods to manipulate the economy by financial means (loans, bonds, share trading etc).

[Shadowlord]

I thought simutrans was supposed to be comparable with openttd, but only openttd meets your requirements?

[Abram Jones]

I think Rise of Venice would fit the bill.  Also the Patrician and Port Royale series which were forerunners.

Upon further inspection Patrician III qualifies! Player is able to grant loans as well as invest in shares in a dynamic economy, this is a very rare occurrence to be able to add a game to this list (: I wonder if the other Patrician games also have these features, and perhaps Rise of Venice and Port Royale do too. If anyone knows please fill me in.

[feelotraveller]

In Rise of Venice the player is able to grant loans and gain interest from them at the risk of borrowers defaulting on the loans.  I'm pretty sure this existed in Patrician IV as well.  Its been a while...

I wonder a little at the restriction you are placing on 'finance' though since there are interesting 'monetary' mechanics outside of that.  For example in RoV being able to finance crooks to rip off your competitors warehouses.  Or buy houses and become a landlord (actually this is pretty much required to play the game - although it can also be done purely as an investment strategy).

[Vilanat]

I guess its because OpenTTD has an option to invest in cities? if so i'd say that it's a rather superficial feature.

[puke]

Or buy houses and become a landlord

If this sort of activity counts, then you could include Mount & Blade Warband with some of the economic mods.

While there is no banking and loans per se, Imperialism I did have a strong global commodity market that you can speculate in by buying and holding goods.

Starsector (and many EV-Likes) have similar features.

EVE does indeed have a stock market, though I'm unsure if it exists purely informally.  Still, a market existing as an emergent property of interaction between players rather than a codified in-game exchange should not be disqualified.  Look at the kinds of things people are doing here, makes me want to play the game:  http://www.eve-markets.net/

[Abram Jones]

In the X serie game you can specialise in trading, build manufacturing station, ensure their safety from attacks, set up logistic line for either ressource gathering or buyin and selling etc.

Okay, thanks for the information.

[Abram Jones]

Space Colony.

Game Biz 3. (presumably the previous game biz games.)
X space game franchise.
EVE.

Do you have a link for Space Colony? I've seen it on wikipedia but i'm not sure if that's the game you were referring to as there seems to be several other games called that.

I reviewed the manual for X, and i couldn't find anything about finance or economy besides trading. is there any form of banking or security trading, even if minimal?

I have the same question with EVE. I have reviewed the economy section on EVE online's wikipedia page, and it looks pretty developed as far as trade goes, but I do not see very many financial tools regarding dynamic banking or investing. Let me know if you have any information on this please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Colony_(video_game)
In Space Colony, you manage a colony, with a particular economic goal, and managing folks, to work supply trains.

EVE economics are outside the game as much as they are inside the game. Their commodity market fluctuates based on supply and demand. ISK, the currency you buy in game time with is a physical currency within the game, thatcan be traded around.  There is also a very heavy services industry as well, which is all ad hoc with very little explict in game tools for them.There arent any stocks to my knowledge, yet but thats probably because EVE company cant really give out money without having to become a legal bank.

Yeah, if they can redeem fake money for real money (if i'm understanding you correctly) they will have trouble implementing a full financial system legally.