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[Amperzand]

With additional roles being phased in as necessary. Seems logical.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

My thought was that having dudes carry around two main guns and their ammo around at the same time is going to get debilitatingly heavy, actually.

Agreed. My thinking was the idea of "Oh, you're watching the trench line? A RR for you. Oh, you're being sent into a trench? Then let's trade that for a Trench Broom." A select fire system means that we can skip that process as well as the need to make and maintain two (or more) different infantry weapons. This is idle thinking on my side, I'm for the semiautomatic system as suggested so far.

I agree that it would be useful; however probably only for destroyers and larger ships. Our Swordfish should be sufficiently close to aim directly; it also has only one main gun. In addition, the requirement of early directors of the ship keeping a steady course makes dodging difficult, which means a dead Swordfish.
By the way, we're looking at not exactly the analytical engine, but a purpose-built mechanical computer. An example would be the british Destroyer Director.

Makes sense and it is aimed to be a low priority project. We probably won't be able to begin considering starting it up for another....5 turns I'd say? And that's only if everything goes perfectly.

@Amperzand: Thoughts on the below?

Spoiler: Production Change Vote (click to show/hide)

Current Set Up: 360 HMGs and 195 Ratios:
255 HMGs and 255 Ratios:
120 HMGs and 315 Ratios: SMMI, 3_14159, Wolfhunter

[Amperzand]

Artillery is of great importance. I am too asleep right now to provide much else.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

That is reasonable and I respect your need for sleep.

Ideas for next turn presuming that we have 28 engineers that we're willing to use for building construction:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Assuming 4 per building complex, we can make 12 sets of things. Assuming roughly 25% botch, we'll accomplish 9 sets.

1 set of 10 x 100pp General Factories: Presumably, smaller factories are less work. 4x 300pp is 1200pp, so 1000pp will hopefully be accomplishable. The reason for this is to have a lot of little factories that we can bounce around projects as needed and to provide more meta data about what engineers can do.

3 sets of 4 x 300pp Artillery Factories: We're aiming to make more types of artillery and more of it.

1 Aerodynamics Facility: It's a building so it would fall underneath here.

3 sets of 300 ton dry docks/slips: We'll need the extra ship production to try to keep up with their current 1600 ton production which is likely going to increase, either this turn or the next.

1 set of 1 x 300pp engine factory, 3 x tank factory: Presuming the Landshark is a success, we'll want a dedicated production line for it.

1 Recruitment Facility: Passive engineer gain per turn is useful to say the least. If we only get newbies from it, it's still a grand help.

2 sets working on 1 Engineering Academy: Take 2 on this. Hopefully 8 engineers won't lose their orders this time.

This will provide us with 5,800pp and 900 tons of production as well has 3 beneficial facilities. Assuming a 25% botch, we'll hopefully get 4,350pp, 600~tons, and 2 facilities.

We'll have 12 engineers left to work on other projects (the rifle, the indirect artillery, and the engine) which might not work out as well. With how our specialists are split up, I think I'd want to begin work on the rifle, the new rounds, and the engine, with work on the rest beginning the turn after.

Reviewing the turn where the firing range was made, it looks like engineers were never actually assigned to that turn. While it's unlikely that you still have the data Aseaheru, if you could let us know about engineer assignments for 804, it would be much appreciated.

[3_14159]

Ideas for next turn presuming that we have 28 engineers that we're willing to use for building construction:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Assuming 4 per building complex, we can make 12 sets of things. Assuming roughly 25% botch, we'll accomplish 9 sets.

1 set of 10 x 100pp General Factories: Presumably, smaller factories are less work. 4x 300pp is 1200pp, so 1000pp will hopefully be accomplishable. The reason for this is to have a lot of little factories that we can bounce around projects as needed and to provide more meta data about what engineers can do.

3 sets of 4 x 300pp Artillery Factories: We're aiming to make more types of artillery and more of it.

1 Aerodynamics Facility: It's a building so it would fall underneath here.

3 sets of 300 ton dry docks/slips: We'll need the extra ship production to try to keep up with their current 1600 ton production which is likely going to increase, either this turn or the next.

1 set of 1 x 300pp engine factory, 3 x tank factory: Presuming the Landshark is a success, we'll want a dedicated production line for it.

1 Recruitment Facility: Passive engineer gain per turn is useful to say the least. If we only get newbies from it, it's still a grand help.

2 sets working on 1 Engineering Academy: Take 2 on this. Hopefully 8 engineers won't lose their orders this time.

Looks good!
I'd delete the engine line unless our tank or mule is extremely cheap; our current production is sufficient for 300 engines. Unless the mule costs 3pp or less, we have engines left over; and if the mule costs 5pp and the tank 7.5pp, we can cover all our needs with one line. Yup, that's how awesome that engine is!
I'd also prefer to build larger lines than 100, although that's a personal preference.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

My thinking is preemptive production. We'll have the Mule, Landshark, Swordfish, Unnamed Torpedo Boat, and who knows what else using the engine, so getting a deeper stock pile started up isn't the worst idea. Plus having a second engine line ahead of time means that we'll be able to immediately put into production the next engine we design regardless of how other factory creation goes. Really, a set of 4 x 300 would probably cover all of our needs for the foreseeable future, but we've got a bunch of other things to focus on first.

Our engine is awesome yeah. Presuming that the Artillery Tractor isn't actually crap in the cost department, I'm assuming that it's middle of the line in land vehicle cost. I'm expecting the Mule to cost something like 5 to 7.5 pp and the Landshark to cost something like 15 to 20pp, not accounting for the engine or any armament.

100pp a line is rather small. I figured it would be a good number for splitting between projects, but 120pp might get us better meta data for comparison. Maybe 8 x 150pp? Part of the goal is to be able to easily shore up holes in production as they happen, so if we turn out to need several things at once, we can use the smaller factories to handle it while the larger ones focus on more specialized tasks.

[Aseaheru]

I don not remember how I assigned people for you in 804. Sorry.

[Funk]

The Glorious Design Bureauhad a fairly massive round at roughly 15x120mm. The enemy used to have 50 tankettes with 8mm armor. Emphasis on that used to.

Aka the we just rounded up an tank rife round.

Im still thinking of massive machine gun for light tanks, planes and anti air, something like the Besa 15mm or some kind of Gatling gun.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I do not remember how I assigned people for you in 804. Sorry.

No problem, I figured it was unlikely that the data was still there all things considered, with the turn being 4 months ago and the information loss from before. There were three things worked on at the time with 18 engineers, so it was probably something like 6 a piece. That just means we likely won't get a world class wind tunnel set up, unless we roll exceptionally well.

Aka the we just rounded up an tank rife round.

Im still thinking of massive machine gun for light tanks, planes and anti air, something like the Besa 15mm or some kind of Gatling gun.

On one hand, a 15x120mm HMG appeals to my sensitivities. On the other hand, the 10x60mm HMG apparently works rather well and the 40mm quick fire could take care of most of those roles, presuming success.

Speculation: A 15x120mm select fire rifle would probably jump out of our infantry's hands if not break them, but it sure is something to imagine working.

@Aseaheru: Are geological surveys to attempt to find local sources of certain materials something that we can do?

Spamming the below until we get a few more votes on it.

Spoiler: Production Change Vote (click to show/hide)

Current Set Up: 360 HMGs and 195 Ratios:
255 HMGs and 255 Ratios:
120 HMGs and 315 Ratios: SMMI, 3_14159, Wolfhunter

[Amperzand]

Spoiler: Semi-automatic 14.5x114mm rifle being shoulder-fired (click to show/hide)

I think you'll agree this is impractical.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

Spoiler: Semi-automatic 14.5x114mm rifle being shoulder-fired (click to show/hide)

I think you'll agree this is impractical.

I mean, it truely is the weapon of a marksman

It honestly looks much more combat capable than what I imagined in my head, which should say something. I'm sort of just fascinated by it and dearly want to have been a fly on the wall of the meeting where it was purposed. It looks like a little artillery gun that you and a buddy can drag around! What's even the muzzle velocity on that thing?

From a practicality standpoint, only role I can really think of it filling is entrenched anti-material when you don't want to use direct fire artillery for whatever reason and you really need the accurate range over a HMG. Which is to say, incredibly niche and I am honestly surprised that a real world equivalent actually exists. Can you imagine being assigned one of these things for the first time? The questions? (What in the world? Why would you even? Am I being hazed? How do you even?)


Spamming the below until we get a few more votes on it.

Spoiler: Production Change Vote (click to show/hide)

Current Set Up: 360 HMGs and 195 Ratios:
255 HMGs and 255 Ratios:
120 HMGs and 315 Ratios: SMMI, 3_14159, Wolfhunter

[Amperzand]

You obviously haven't seen the Lahti. :V

Here are some dudes messing with one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvsfT1_W6TE

Yes, this thing came in full-auto.

Spoiler: Production Change Vote (click to show/hide)

Current Set Up: 360 HMGs and 195 Ratios:
255 HMGs and 255 Ratios:
120 HMGs and 315 Ratios: SMMI, 3_14159, Wolfhunter, Ampersand

[Amperzand]

I apologize for the double post, but holy shit this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL8-Z6PhVY

[3_14159]

There are a few anti-tank rifles available. The WW2-ones mostly are 20mm rifles, which is pretty huge. They're therefore fired prone, except by obviously-crazy people.
They're mildly effective against inter-war or early-WW2 tanks, or against the top armour - my favourite example being Pavlov's House.

[milo christiansen]

Honestly, if we're making an intermediate-cartridge self-loader, we might as well replace "Make submachine gun better" with "Make practical full auto service rifle".

The main problem with this is weight. We could make a full-auto R10 (the MK2) but with our current materials it would weigh too much for use in the submachine gun role.

If we had really good steel we could make a R10 MK2 carbine (with wood furniture of course) that would do the job, but if our steel isn't good enough to make even the basic R10 without needing to worry about weight vs part strength then I don't think we can manage a light carbine yet.