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[vogonpoet]

Another day, another victory.

How can I have 30 wins and still feel like such a noob???

I love Okawara... Get those core melee / ranged skillls to 21, and then just do whatever you feel like. <3 Herorism <3.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-5-g4a78601 (console) character file.

1493953 vogonpoet the Conqueror (level 27, 273/273 HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Gladiator on May 12, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Okawaru.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on May 13, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 09:07:10 (106352 turns).

vogonpoet the Conqueror (Minotaur Gladiator)      Turns: 106352, Time: 09:07:11

Health: 273/273    AC: 44    Str: 27    XL:     27
Magic:  25/32      EV: 17    Int: 25    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   3459       SH:  0    Dex: 12    Spells: 8 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis .    b - +9 longbow {speed, Str+4 Stlth+}
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    j - +10 plate armour {MR+}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    m - +2 hat {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    V - +1 cloak of Honesty {Str+2 Int+9 Stlth-}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    H - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
SustAt .          Harm     .    D - +2 pair of boots {run}
MR     ++++.                    n - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ..........               M - ring of Omiw {+Inv +Fly rF+}
                                Q - ring of Symmetry {rElec rPois rF+ MR+ Str-3}

@: repel missiles, quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments,
extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, deterioration 1, shaggy fur 1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, silver


You escaped.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were completely stuffed.

You visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and saw 56 of its levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth, Bailey, Ice Cave, Volcano and Wizlab.

You collected 9066 gold pieces.
You spent 5607 gold pieces at shops.

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Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x6
You have escaped!

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[Damiac]

OK Celem, I added you to a new team, the bay 12 cavalry.  Hopefully someone else joins, I modified the topic title, hopefully it'll garner some last minute interest.

[vogonpoet]

yeah but your min delay on your bardiche (or scythe of curses), executioners axe or triple crossbow kicks in at 26, so there is no real pressing need to have Okie lift you up to 27... 26 is fine.

/edit: and raising your dodging/armour skills from 21 to 22 is probably not worth it compared to getting Evo up for your Invis ring, or bringing blink/sputterflies online.

[Tegga21]

I'd forgotten how annoying it is to not be able to heal normally (as a deep dwarf.) I was using Elyvilon to keep my health topped off, which was working great up through Shoals:4 (Shoals - again! Why?!) followed by working my way through Spider and getting stuck with a very annoying Spider:4. Now I've managed to burn my piety down from 4* to 0*, and I'm all out of easy dungeon to explore. I fear running out of MP; burning it all to recharge my wand of healing.

The real question is if it's worth incurring Elyvilon's wrath to switch to either Makhleb (for health on kill) or to Pakellas (for wand recharging that doesn't take permanent MP.)

Trog is pretty good

[Tiruin]

Yes the tournament runs through to the 20th, but the window for adding the rcfile lines and joining a 'clan' closes today.

Woo ._.; Glad for your post IcyTea! And thanks celem--just scrambled to make an account because I did not apparently...read the deadline.

...I have no idea if the setting worked though. Is there anyway I can know if I'm in a clan while playing the game?

[IcyTea31]

Look here for your clan's scoreboard.

You don't seem to be on it, but then again you don't appear on the full player list either. Make sure you've started a game (even just created a character, moved a tile and saved and quit) and give it some time.

[Tiruin]

Look here for your clan's scoreboard.

You don't seem to be on it, but then again you don't appear on the full player list either. Make sure you've started a game (even just created a character, moved a tile and saved and quit) and give it some time.

I checked ^ ^
And I also checked that I've approx ~4 hours left until the clan entry ends? I've a character out now though. Thank you

...Reminds me how dreaded meeting Sigmund on the early couple or so floors felt. T_T

[Drakale]

Arf Xom is not with me for this tournament. I lost 2 good run to pretty bad random teleports, like I teleported 3 times in the elven animated weapon room as a caster. Not much I could do... It all started with a 1% chance miscast too. I'll run some Xom chaos knights to reset my luck heh.

[celem]

You should be good then Tiruin.  It may take some time before you pop-up on one of the scoreboards, the entire thing is a tower of script crons, but something will have noted your affiliation.

[celem]

yeah but your min delay on your bardiche (or scythe of curses), executioners axe or triple crossbow kicks in at 26, so there is no real pressing need to have Okie lift you up to 27... 26 is fine.

Gonna dissent a little here.  Go for 22 and let heroism carry you to cap.  Your point on mindelay is well-founded, but by the time you get that far you are lategame and facing a lot of Drain.  If you only took 21 and get at all drained you lose your mindelay.  A little buffer lets you go rN++ without immediately bombing out in performance if the drain happens.

In general you are right about diminishing returns though, skills past 20 need to be absolutely core skills.

[vogonpoet]

... Your point on mindelay is well-founded, but by the time you get that far you are lategame and facing a lot of Drain...

We are in basic agreement: I agree you want your skill above 21 *eventually*, but its the first rune level difficulty jump where Okie's climb to 26 really shines. My skilling is generally pretty crappy, but my MiGl is a nice example of my point:

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Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Polearms       |  4  5     6  7     9 10 12 14 16    18 20 21                               22 23 | 23.5
Fighting       |           3     4  5  6  7  8  9 12 13 14 16 19 21                22 24 27       | 27.0
Armour         |           1  3  4  5  7  8  9 10 12 13 14 15    17 20 21       22          23    | 23.0
Invocations    |                       1  3     5                       7                      10 | 10.0
Evocations     |                             2  4  6          10                               14 | 14.1
Bows           |                                         2  4             12 14 17 20          22 | 22.4
Dodging        |                                            4  5  6  9 14 15          16 17 18 20 | 20.1
Spellcasting   |                                                              3                   |  3.0
Translocations |                                                              4           5     9 |  9.0
Charms         |                                                              4  5     6  7  9    |  9.8
Hexes          |                                                                    2             |  2.0
Necromancy     |                                                                       5          |  5.0
Summonings     |                                                                             6    |  6.5
Throwing       |                                                                                  |  2.0

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Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Trident           |    78 |    44 |    40 |    22 |       |       |       |       |       ||   184
       Headbutt          |     4 |    12 |    50 |   153 |   254 |   143 |   392 |   324 |   173 ||  1505
       Halberd           |       |   104 |   292 |   852 |    52 |       |       |       |       ||  1300
       Spear             |       |       |    25 |    58 |       |       |       |       |       ||    83
       Bardiche          |       |       |       |    68 |  1310 |   707 |  1600 |  1640 |   846 ||  6171
       Demon trident     |       |       |       |       |    77 |    13 |       |       |       ||    90
       Glaive            |       |       |       |       |       |   827 |    17 |    22 |       ||   866
       Longbow           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
 Fire: Longbow           |       |       |       |       |     4 |    79 |   251 |   680 |  1992 ||  3006
So I reached Okie assisted min delay on my fancy spear at XL 15, and didnt feel the need to invest again in polearms until Xl26, at which point XP is much easier to come by, whereas what was I doing at XL 15?

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24652 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 122/139 MP: 14/18
 26096 | Lair:2   | Identified the +0 ring mail of the Apprentice {*Confuse rN+ Str+2 Dex+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 26208 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 26643 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 26659 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 26818 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 27011 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an ogre mage for 5 turns
 27065 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27076 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc warlord
 27309 | Orc:2    | Killed an orc warlord
 27864 | Orc:2    | Found Yxtuthri's General Store.
 27864 | Orc:2    | Found Vomm's Food Boutique.
 27865 | Orc:2    | Found Juzeno's Gadget Shop.
 27865 | Orc:2    | Found Foefec's Armour Emporium.
 27872 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 112 gold pieces
 27922 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 28265 | Orc:2    | Bought a +2 pair of gloves for 264 gold pieces
 29363 | D:14     | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 29627 | D:14     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30247 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 30478 | D:14     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30567 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 30583 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 30736 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 98/154 MP: 19/19
Of course, every game is different, but in this game, around this time, the Stormbow was found at the bottom of Lair, (and I was able to buy manual of Fighting in Orc, which skewed my fighting training a bit).

The point is, Okie allowed me, even as early as Orc, to stop throwing XP into my bardiche and start developing a ranged attack.

I suppose in my original response to Covenant I could have said

...26 is fine, at least until you are well on your way to your third rune

.

Draining can certainly be an issue - shame its not reflected in the log, but a couple of demon foo of draining spriggan defenders really did a number on me at one point: Like, I was clearing U3, and my polearms skill was drained from 21 all the way to like 10, fighting was something like 12, all other skills way down... no more casting of regen. I have never seen the word Drain so deeply red before. It was kinda scary, but of course, by that time I had a longbow of speed, and was still with Okie, so I was able to recover.

Finally: you can see in the logs above, that I smashed mobs in the face with my longbow on a total of 6 occasions. I think its worth noting that although 2 of those were I think basically typos, 4 of those were used to kill a moth of wrath in Zot who beserked me. I had no idea what to do, and was unsure if it would work, but beserk-sauntering up to the moth and beserk-bashing its little face in with my bow turned out to be very effective

[Arcvasti]

Well, got a puny five-runer. Combination of semi-crippling mutations with only one cure mut potion and a dearth of rNeg[One randart amulet and a ring of positive energy were all that spawned] deincentivized doing Extended pretty heavily. Whatever, there's still a week left in the tournament to do better then that. Still feel like the RNG screwed me over pretty badly this game. I found troves and rune vaults full of absolute garbage. Which isn't uncommon. But what wasn't absolute garbage was still mediocre. Bleh.

[Drakale]

Yeah pretty average gear except your amazing shield, congrats.

Doing good in my revenge chaos knight game. I'll try for 15 runes tomorrow with Xom all the way, should be entertaining. He's been surprisingly helpful so far.

[AlStar]

One of these days, I'll actually get an octopode with 8 rings. One day.

I'm pretty sure I've never gotten over 3, but I live in hope that one day I'll keep one alive long enough...

[IcyTea31]

One of these days, I'll actually get an octopode with 8 rings. One day.

For an even greater prayer to Xom, try getting the Trident of the Octopus King and all 8 of his rings. Has anyone ever actually lucked out enough to do that?