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endlessblaze

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help with this dinosaur of a computer.
« on: May 01, 2016, 09:53:26 am »

i love old games and tech, even if they don't work that well.

sadly one of my oldest bits of equipment has wellll....

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TOSHIBA Video BIOS V2.80
Copyright (C) 1996 chips and technologies, Inc. all rights reserved.

(C)Copyright 1997 Toshiba Corp. all rights reserved.
memory Initalize 48896KB
insert system disk in drive.
press any key when ready....
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I have tried persuading it to work again but to no avail and I don't have the system disk. I'm pretty sure it was running windows 98.
the hard drive is likely at such a point it wont hold much for long, but first things first.

help?
hardware wise its an old Toshiba Satellite pro laptop (445CDX) with only a little bit of memory. it has one USB port on the back and a diskdrive on the side. it has an inferred thing on the back that is apparently for connecting to routers but I lack the other part that goes into USB ports.
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Re: help with this dinosaur of a computer.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 09:55:33 am »

This probably goes in Life Advice or Generic Computer Advice Thread...
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Re: help with this dinosaur of a computer.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 09:57:26 am »

yhaaa probably.

here let me move topic.

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 06:03:10 pm »

Well you're not going to get far without a DOS or Win9x boot floppy. Make that your primary goal right now. Sort out a newer / working machine that can access floppies, then download boot images from somewhere, or make a virtual machine of Win9x which can access the floppy drive. Let's pull up some specs however.

BTW, can you get into the BIOS screen on boot? there will be a bunch of info in there. Toshiba BIOS uses the [Esc] key to access the BIOS. You can see the boot options after doing that. If you're really lucky, there will be a USB boot option.
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Re: help with this dinosaur of a computer.
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 07:08:43 pm »

Well you're not going to get far without a DOS or Win9x boot floppy. Make that your primary goal right now. Sort out a newer / working machine that can access floppies, then download boot images from somewhere, or make a virtual machine of Win9x which can access the floppy drive. Let's pull up some specs however.

BTW, can you get into the BIOS screen on boot? there will be a bunch of info in there. Toshiba BIOS uses the [Esc] key to access the BIOS. You can see the boot options after doing that. If you're really lucky, there will be a USB boot option.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2016, 07:21:03 pm »

I had just such a laptop, years ago, give or take a version (but 445CDX rings at least a dull bell). You don't appear to have mentiond a CD-ROM drive, maybe that was hotswapped with the ejectable floppy unit, as required, if you ever had that item at all.

With CD, I'd have suggested any Live Distro linux CD (but better one of the technical ones, with tools, rather than maybe a Mint demonztration one) to check what your laptop's HDD contains, if you can read it at all.  Such old hardware may not even support USB booting (it wasn't 'a thing' back in that era, and floppies or LANBooting tended to be the way to go, as I recalll, short of the system CD) but a bootable stick might work.

Short of that, check the BIOS config itself. It's possible that the battery died and it's forgotten what HDD it should try primary-boot off of, and (while lower is connected) you can persuade it to use Auto-settings to find the disc (or, with a little investigation input the required Cylinder/Head/Sector info, as I think LBA might have been a rarity back then) and see what that gives you, boot-wise.

Extracting the disc and finding that it isn't too propriatery to connect up to a 2.5" IDE-to-USB converter and check it on another (more modern) machine is another thing you can do, if you have a screwdriver, the gumption and the converter, at all. Would also help in replacing the BIOS battery, if that's all (beyond putting the settings back in order) that's basically wrong with the thing. Rather than actually it is the drive that's wonky. Whether or not it can be replaced and a useful OS reinstalled upon the new one.

But it's hard to tell, remotely, if I'm even on the right track. Hence why so many "first options" in this post... Somewhat ninjaed, now... Stupid tablet keyboard...
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Re: help with this dinosaur of a computer.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2016, 08:16:40 pm »

Except this thing has no floppy drive, it has a cd/ (maybe dvd) disk drive, probbly should have been more specific.

Booting from USB might work though.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2016, 08:26:22 pm »

You'll need to access the BIOS before you do anything else. Try ESC or DEL

Yeah "diskdrive" was misleading. I've literally never heard of people call a CD-ROM a "diskdrive".

But that makes things more helpful. You could boot a live CD onto the laptop, and then use it even if the hard-drive is toast, use the USB for storage.

Not exactly legal, but TinyXP 2008 boot CD has a bunch of useful disk tools on it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2016, 08:42:30 pm »

I'm not even sure what you mean by live CD.


esc and del get me no where.

F1 however......

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system setup (1/2) BIOS version 6.90
theirs options like battery mode, display options, hard disk, boot priority.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 09:10:11 pm »

A live CD boots an operating system directly off the CD. You can get Windows or Linux disks like this. But they boot up pretty slow.

The Bios screen you have there is where it'll tell you what devices are bootable (e.g. HD, CD, USB).
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 09:31:27 pm »

I'm not even sure what you mean by live CD.


esc and del get me no where.

F1 however......

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system setup (1/2) BIOS version 6.90
theirs options like battery mode, display options, hard disk, boot priority.
"Live CD" is a description given to CDs that are bootable to give you an instantly usable OS experience (without messing with the regular OS install), mostly in the context of one that runs a Linux distro.  See the front of various Linux-focussed magazines in the newsagent.

Having a CD drive, not floppy, is good because OS installation CDs (not just Live ones) are probably the way you'll want to go if you ever get/find a working HDD. Although Win98 did still come on (many) floppies, IIRC, for those that needed it that way, as had Win95.

I don't think it'll be a DVD drive, though, so avoid."Live DVD"s, until you know otherwise.
Whether magazine-front or burnt by yoursekf from a downloaded image.

(Rough instructions for which tend to accompany the image download pages, once you're even at that stage of procuring one... Probably not yet.)

 *Ninjaed again*

As to you current situation looking under Hard Disk would be my next move, seeing what it says.  Boot Order Priority comes into play once you have more than one bootable drive (right now you have none, it appears!) but might tell you what drives it thinks it ought to expect to be able to boot from, with absences from the expected list perhaps being revealing...

Check both,  then, and tell us what you see (although I should be asleep, so it might be for someone else to decipher)...
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 11:05:15 pm »

Ooh, a laptop that braved 2 full decades of operation. Sweet!

This exact thing happened to me around 7 years ago on a desktop of mine. I heard a loud hiss while I was playing Learn To Fly and a puff of blue-gray smoke came out of the back of the box. The next day, it wouldn't boot and would display simply:

"DISK BOOT ERROR; INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER"

I took it apart to find that a spider had managed to wedge itself between two pins, frying itself and something else on the motherboard apparently vital for bootup. I got a new mobo and enjoyed more shitty flash games from circa 2009. Fortunately, my tastes have changed greatly.

I'm really not sure what might be the case for you. I would look for some videos/manuals/guides on disassembling your model of laptop (A simple Google search pulled up nothing useful, your results may vary). Generally that error means that the BIOS stopped detecting the hard drive, or the hard drive could have broken or crashed (20 year old HD ain't gonna run smoothly). If you have a Diagnostics tab you could try that; it could but probably isn't a bad RAM stick, so a memtest might help. If you can't find anything to indicate possible life signs of your HD, try turning it on and putting your ear to the side opposite the fan. Can you hear anything spinning up/down, whirring, clicking or buzzing? That means you have a running hard drive, and one about to die if you heard any of the latter two. If all else fails, burn a CD of Puppy Linux or something (I'll bet you $50 it can't boot from USB) and see if you can get Puppy to recognize the HD. If not, you may need to disassemble and find a replacement hard drive. Good luck finding one that matches your connector.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2016, 06:18:39 am »

How would I go about getting a Linux live cd
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2016, 07:55:25 am »

1) check the newsstands for Linux magazines, as they often have on the cover (or inside) a Live Distro or three on a disc...  But they also now mostly do DVDs, as their media of choice, which probably wouldn't work for your optical drive, so you can fall back on...

2) make one yourself. You need a (re)writable CD (again, not a DVD) and also a writing-capable optical drive (depends on how old and/or how low budget your equipment was, but I'd say you have a good chance of having that already, even if you don't use it. Check for CD-R, CD-RW or one or other of +, -  or even combined +/- symbol after DVD with R, RW or RAM after that, usually moulded onto the facia of the tray, depending on antiquity and how many of the old standards the device is geared to support, because it was a bit "VHS or Betamax or Video2000", in the early days. Best you get a CD-R media, though (all should write to that, and the laptop drive should1 be able to read it,) if you don't already have some handy.

Then you need software able to write an image to a disc, on the working machine. Roxio or somesuch might be installed, newer versions of Windows may be able to do this natively (they can write files, but tbat's not the same thing) or some Distros have utilities they have created/recommended especially for the task. (Mostly that's USB writers that I m used to, though.) Something like http://www.ntfs.com/iso-burning.htm might be useful (but I haven't vetted the site or application, so take care unless someone else is willing to give it credibility).

One suggested Distro is called Puppy. The page http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm gives you various downloads (go for the top .iso file download, probably, but read around the site if necessary - there's also a 'purchase a CD' thing if you really can't handle the making of a disc yourself). And, if nothing else, you can continually perma-boot from that disc to get a simple (non-Windows) usage out of the laptop.

Or there's specific "rescue" distros, as can be seen at http://lifehacker.com/5984707/five-best-system-rescue-discs with five examples.  You don't need the AV/malware-removing features, and not all of these are Linux discs, but all (if you can understand what tools you do and, especially, what tools you don't need to use) seem to have the ability to rule in or out the possibility of keeping your old drive or confirming that it would actuaully need replacing to go further.


Sorry, but that's a lot of information to take in, I know, and I'm sure others will want to add to/rescind some of my advice, even before you come back with rather specifc questions about what I actually mean by something I may have skipped too lightly over...


1 There was a laser-colour change, with (re)writable media, around that time, that meant some older CD-ROM drives couldn't read some of the writable discs. But, for the price of a few discs that you can use the rest for other things anyway, at very little 'wasted' expense as long as you don't have to buy a new (writing) drive to start with.  Or so I would say, YMMV.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2016, 09:18:28 am »

btw what options did you see under Boot Order?
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