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[Atian the Elephantman God]

"Chaos Magic has been practically removed. So only a couple more adjustments and they should be ready to rumble."

[Chevaleresse]

"You still need to propose and debate costs for the traits listed as ??. I used fairly low estimates."

[Atian the Elephantman God]

Propose

2.TC: Large Size, and Natural Weapon traits will cost .5 Essence.

[Chevaleresse]

"Trait costs are multipliers on the base of 4E."

[Atian the Elephantman God]

"So every traits cost is multiplied by 4 right?"

[tntey]

"So every traits cost is multiplied by 4 right?"

"No. Everything is multiplied together. Base cost * all the traits. Matter doesn't order cuz communitive property"

[Chevaleresse]

"So every traits cost is multiplied by 4 right?"

"Until such time as we change the base costs of creatures, yes.

Ideally you'll list them as multipliers as many could be applied to other creations, such as beasts or divine agents."

[micelus]

A WORSHIP-CAPABLE SPECIES COSTS 4E. THESE TRAITS WOULD BE MULTIPLIED BY THE BASE COST. NOTE HOWEVER THAT ALL TRAITS ARE MULTIPLICATIVE AND THUS YOUR TRAITS SHOULD BE FORMATTED AS:

Large Size [1.5]
Natural Weapons [1.5]

REGARDLESS, AS PER OUR AGREEMENT,

2.TC: Large Size, and Natural Weapon traits will cost .5 Essence.

SUPPORT

[tntey]

Propose

2.TC: Large Size, and Natural Weapon traits will cost .5 Essence.

Oppose

[hector13]

Propose

2.TC: Large Size, and Natural Weapon traits will cost .5 Essence.

Saukko

Oppose

"It doesn't follow the syntax for traits we have all apparently agreed on as an unwritten rule.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting these things should be treated as x0.5, in which case they're too cheap."

[Chevaleresse]

Propose: Limitation of Magic: There may only be up to a certain number of magical schools in existence. Replacing one would require total destruction of all practitioners (or converting them to a different school, depowering them, etc) and a proposal to eliminate the prior school. Hesitantly propose a limit of 7.

Propose: Divine Agents: A divine agent costs 2E base, and selects from the same traits as normal creatures. An agent that may be directly controlled costs 3E base, unless said agent cannot act independently (e.g. a statue that only comes to life when a god controls it directly.) Divine agents are mortal (within a loose definition of such), and separate from any angels/devils/etc that may be proposed.

Propose: Banlist - Trait Combinations: Certain combinations of traits can be banned by the council.

The first proposed ban would be Resurrective Immortality + Infinite Lifespan.

[hector13]

Propose: Limitation of Magic: There may only be up to a certain number of magical schools in existence. Replacing one would require total destruction of all practitioners (or converting them to a different school, depowering them, etc) and a proposal to eliminate the prior school. Hesitantly propose a limit of 7.

Saukko

Amendment: Each god is allowed to create one school of magic only, at a cost of 5E with no collaboration. Should a deity wish to replace a school of magic they have created, they must remove all knowledge of its existence. If a deity is found to have created more than one school of magic, the knowledge for using the magic of both schools is wiped from existence - mortals memories are wiped and all documentation is destroyed - and the offending god is put into stasis, unable to act for 3 Ticks.

Propose: Divine Agents: A divine agent costs 2E base, and selects from the same traits as normal creatures. An agent that may be directly controlled costs 3E base, unless said agent cannot act independently (e.g. a statue that only comes to life when a god controls it directly.) Divine agents are mortal (within a loose definition of such), and separate from any angels/devils/etc that may be proposed.

Oppose

"This seems too cheap to me, and what is the difference between a divine agent and an angel or devil?"

Propose: Banlist - Trait Combinations: Certain combinations of traits can be banned by the council.

The first proposed ban would be Resurrective Immortality + Infinite Lifespan.[/b]

Support both

[Stirk]

A WORSHIP-CAPABLE SPECIES COSTS 4E. THESE TRAITS WOULD BE MULTIPLIED BY THE BASE COST. NOTE HOWEVER THAT ALL TRAITS ARE MULTIPLICATIVE AND THUS YOUR TRAITS SHOULD BE FORMATTED AS:

Large Size [1.5]
Natural Weapons [1.5]

REGARDLESS, AS PER OUR AGREEMENT,

2.TC: Large Size, and Natural Weapon traits will cost .5 Essence.

SUPPORT

((On the current system, that would half the price? For a benefit? Unless you mean 1.5 multiplier, and they still need to have their effect explained.))

"As I understand, they are as follows:"
Strength +1 (1.5)
Martial Skill +1 (??, assuming 1.5)
Large Size (??, assuming 1.5)
Intelligence +2 (2)
Chaos Magic (??, assuming at least 2)
Natural Weapons (??, assuming 1.3)
Total Cost: 3*(4*(1+(.5+.5+.5+2+2)) = 57.6 essence. One unit costs 19.2 essence, conservatively.

"You are effectively trying to act with the power of three gods at once."

((That isn't the multiplayer we agreed on? It should be 4*1.5*1.5*1.5*2*2*1.3 with your assumptions, or 70.2. And even then, you did your math wrong, as with that the "at least two" would be 3. Plus intelligence +2 is actually 1.5*2*2 (if I understand right) or 4.5, making that wrong too. A bunch of those traits could get reserved to flavor if they had to. ))

Propose: Limitation of Magic: There may only be up to a certain number of magical schools in existence. Replacing one would require total destruction of all practitioners (or converting them to a different school, depowering them, etc) and a proposal to eliminate the prior school. Hesitantly propose a limit of 7.

Oppose. "...Po1ntless..."

Propose: Divine Agents: A divine agent costs 2E base, and selects from the same traits as normal creatures. An agent that may be directly controlled costs 3E base, unless said agent cannot act independently (e.g. a statue that only comes to life when a god controls it directly.) Divine agents are mortal (within a loose definition of such), and separate from any angels/devils/etc that may be proposed.

Oppose. "Why...n0t...just...m4ke...a...m0rtal...then???..."

Propose: Banlist - Trait Combinations: Certain combinations of traits can be banned by the council.

Oppose. Too much bookkeeping. Besides, one of those isn't even a trait yet.

[hector13]

Saukko

Proposal

All schools of magic must draw their power from leylines or directly from the god creating it. This will cost the god 0.5E per 1,000 practicioners, should they decided to go that route.

((probably. I didn't look back at the cost of the leyline stuff, so yeah... it should probably be a bit more expensive than the leylines as it means there aren't any geographic limitations, as in you don't need to put leylines everywhere you expect your races to be.))

[Chevaleresse]

((Multipliers are additive with one another. I also forgot to edit the 2s to 1s.))
"I envision the proposed divine agents as unique mortals given blessings of increased power or knowledge by their gods. Angels or devils would be more akin to soldiers and employees of the gods, and likely created en-masse, though I suppose one could combine the two systems - assuming one for the latter is ever proposed.

As far as the alleged 'pointlessness' of limiting the amount of magic systems, well, I believe having twenty or more competing systems of magic would be, to borrow a term from another creation cycle, an absolute clusterfuck."