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[Andres]

What are you talking about? Influence will ALWAYS be much less than worship under the current system, by the way it works. The pole is to prevent a potential issue several have brought up, in that you can currently double your investment in four turns. To put it this way:
Tick One,God One creates 16E worth of worshipers on tick 1 (4E/tick)
Tick 4, God One is back to 20E. God One again creates 16E worth of worshipers (8E/tick)
Tick 6, God One is back to 20E. God One again creates 16E worth of worshipers (12E/tick)
Tick 8, God One is back to 20E. God One again creates 16E worth of worshipers (16E/tick)
Tick 9, God One is back to 20E. God One again creates 16E worth of worshipers (20E/tick)

And just like that, a god is invincible in a little more than a week. The potential for abuse is massive without a system in place.

Hmm.....yeah, it seems I misunderstood how influence Essence worked. With the context you provided, I can see how it does indeed provide less Essence than worship. I can also see how it can be abused, but in practice I don't think anyone except maybe Gruen actually went for anything close to that. Most gods just want a decently high amount (6E/Tick) and then they focus on making stuff and dicking over other gods.

Then come up with a better system... There is always people complaining about possibleloophles yetthey do nothing to prevent them

They complain about loopholes because gods like to complain and put down other gods. They do nothing to prevent them because there just isn't that great of a demand for the various divine servants you proposed. From what I can tell, people are just looking for a replacement [Angel] trait.

I like your god...

Thanks!

Some questions:
Does rune magic allow my tower builders to enchant their towers? I'm hoping yes.
Are there god corpses? Inquiring minds want to know!

Rune magic can enchant towers.
There are no god corpses. The last god corpse disintegrated last Tick, but if you want you can pick up the sickly green-blue dust that was left behind.

[Happy Demon]

Then come up with a better system... There is always people complaining about possibleloophles yetthey do nothing to prevent them

They complain about loopholes because gods like to complain and put down other gods. They do nothing to prevent them because there just isn't that great of a demand for the various divine servants you proposed. From what I can tell, people are just looking for a replacement [Angel] trait.

We complain about loopholes because they can and will be abused.
As for the titans suggested...

Champions are not even close to worth the cost, it's just a waste of Essence. All they have is mandatory mortality, and can do stuff. I much prefer Axt's champions.
Demigods, I see nothing really special about them. Divinity isn't really hereditary like that, so they're basically just creating a powerful agent, very slowly.
Gargantuans is something we can create without the system. We already have the innate magic trait and some traits to play with.
Giant Beasts, stat ups and size ups, we already have that.
Legendary Beasts, see Gargantuans.
Spirits, see Gargantuans.

As for the angel trait, I never use it, because I don't like it. Even when I used the trait, I didn't, because I removed the loyalty.
I dislike the loyalty trait, because, in my opinion, it should not even exist. Sure, more loyalty is fine, but absolute loyalty should be impossible.
And Axt is not looking to make great people, he seeks to give them the means of becoming great.
Axt will give the power, but it is up to the people to use it. If they decide to use it against him, that is the price of free will.
So Axt has no interest in the angel trait, because he seeks great people, not loyal slaves. He is a man of firm principles.

[Andres]

I dislike the loyalty trait, because, in my opinion, it should not even exist. Sure, more loyalty is fine, but absolute loyalty should be impossible.

Loyalty was just that they wouldn't betray you as a result of mundane means (the passage of time, an unreasonable order, etc.) Loyalty+10 only provided high resistance against magical and Essence-based subversion, not immunity. Furthermore, it removed the ability for the creature to provide worship Essence where sapience is mechanically defined as being worship-capable. They'd still be able to worship and thus continue to be sapient, but that no Essence is gained from that is a subtle hint at the deeper philosophies regarding the link between the concepts.

[Detoxicated]

The thing is I don't really care for all this that much, I just have the feeling that nearly every player has a different view on the matter [Angel]. So therefore it woulöd be wise to set a system in stone so each gets what it needs, and it is fair to the players who want to engage competitive actions... If all you want is fluff creations of great awe unable to compete truely then we should go for it. I just see that somewhere in the rules a gargantuan titan or a champion cannot be displayed in a fashion that can be represented in numbers, so it becomes hard for the KJP to decide fairly. How many regular generics do you need to destroy one giant scorpion with three tails and firebreath? Unless you have numbers you can't have any clearance.

I feel that this theme should be discussed IC though, but it seems that nobody truely is interested.

[Demonic Spoon]

Mmm, did my character not get accepted?

[Kilojoule Proton]

Added: Demonic Spoon/The Serene Tower

[Demonic Spoon]

Added: Demonic Spoon/The Serene Tower

And my actions didn't get carried about because there are no god corpses available, or was there another reason?

[Kilojoule Proton]

Around the time I intended to post the Tick update last night (c. 08:00 UTC), the internet connection here dropped. Rather than wait an hour or so to see if this was scheduled maintenance or something, I went to bed and posted it as soon as possible.

[Andres]

Can you edit the poll so I can change my vote?

[Rolepgeek]

Ooh, I qualified for Influence.

I suppose that means I'll be getting the quests over the next week, KJP?

[Atian the Elephantman God]

KJP: Whata wrong with the Klinkons arms?

[Chevaleresse]

now that everyone and their grandmother is making Craftsmanship races, can I ask for a sphere discount on mine?

[Stirk]

Hmm.....yeah, it seems I misunderstood how influence Essence worked. With the context you provided, I can see how it does indeed provide less Essence than worship. I can also see how it can be abused, but in practice I don't think anyone except maybe Gruen actually went for anything close to that. Most gods just want a decently high amount (6E/Tick) and then they focus on making stuff and dicking over other gods.

Just because nobody has abused it *yet* doesn't mean we should leave a massive flaw in the system just because.

[Rolepgeek]

...In what way can it be abused, again?

Also, KJP, I believe Mischief/Christine's Amendment was actually that Champion's cost be lowed to [x15] if Legendary[x50] is passed. Rather than that Legendary gets lowered.

[Vgray]

I'm terribly sorry for being indecisive, but can I retire Sekala and play Vulkus?