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[Cthulhu]

I'll probably look into starting a bay12 group since we've got quite a few people.  Playin gthe good complicated games (as opposed to secret hitler and cards against humanity) can be rough in the lobby.  There's a lot of capacity for people to fuck the game up in this.  You're usually not accustomed to people being fucklers in board games, since they're a face-to-face kind of thing, but they will be.

Battlestar Galactica and Imperial Assault are both in.

I think part of the way they're getting away with it is that everything's hosted privately.  Like my mods file is just a ton of downloaded images.  I'm pretty sure the mods are 90% just internal links to imgur galleries and shit, rather than actually having assets in the game.

I only played Vassal for 40k.  I think it's got Vassal beat though, especially for stuff like that.  3d plus line-drawing means proper line of sight figuring, you can place dice by models for hit recognition, all the good shit you can do in real life.

Really, it's essentially playing a real board game.  In that respect it's better than Vassal.  And there is actually some automation, there's lua scripting in-game.

So for example, since spinners don't work in X-Wing you have little decks of cards corresponding to a ship's movement options and you place them next to each ship, then flip them over.  In the popular boards, each card also has buttons on it which activate the different things.  So you push the big button and it automatically moves your ship the correct distance.  You push F to make a focus token appear, S for stress, etc.

Most games don't have all that though, since it's a lot of work.  X-Wing's probably one of the most popular non-CAH/Secret Hitler games on there.

[MrWiggles]

Oh, I'm up for lots of different games. I'll join a bay12 tabletop sim group.

I notice that there is a chat in the game but I dont know how to actually use it. There doesnt seem to be a means in game to access it.

[Ozyton]

chat

Tadaa

[Cthulhu]

I made a group.

My Kingdom Death run is slogging on and I dunno if it'd be a good idea to play it as a group.  Maybe as a group we can put together better strategies but right now the only thing really keeping it on my list is that 90% of character power is in his gear and that's preserved even if everyone dies, except irreplaceable gear which is rare anyway.

It gets compared to Dark Souls a lot.  To me, Dark Souls is a shitty game with fucked up fights that you have to cheese to win and then people enjoy because it's a status symbol to enjoy impossible games.  Having played through to the Kingsman I can say that's often an apt comparison, at least with the Nemesis fights.

The quarries aren't so bad, but the nemeses are fucking bullshit.  Great imagery, even the way the fights work is really cool if it weren't such bullshit.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Butcher draws two AI cards per turn and gets stronger when he kills people, which he will.  He shows up in the fourth year, which is probably three or four years before you're even close to ready for him.  You can get a secret fighting art from him if you survive his Hack City move, where he gets an extra attack every time he hits, basically pummeling you into the ground with attacks.  If he's killed somebody,e ach of these hits adds a bleed token and you die at 5, so there's basically no chance.  The only redeeming factor here is that he occasionally focuses on one guy so hard that you can run that guy out into the darkness to lead the butcher away, sacrificing him to save the rest.

And the Kingsman has three Battle Pressure cards that go to the top of his hit location deck each turn, which basically means the first three hits per round don't do anything and will probably fuck you up.  When you hit a battle pressure card you have an event where your guy tries to match the Kingsman's footwork.  If you fail you're getting knocked down at best and chances are he's gonna break your leg or just impale you on his spear.  If you can actually pull it off, which usually takes several tries, then you get King's Step which lets you automatically burn through his battle pressure which makes it slightly easier.

I killed the Kingsman but only because we got a shitload of really lucky wounds early on and took out most of his good attacks and got a crit on him that lowered the number of attacks he could make.  If we hadn't then he would've wiped my party and that would've basically been game over.

Edit:  Oh and also even if you kill him the guy who did it gets a curse that turns him into a Kingsman over the next five years.  He's really strong over the progression but he's guaranteed toast.

But then again with a group it might be easier to talk tactics and figure out strategies I hadn't thought of.  The quarries are all designed with weaknesses in mind.  The white lion likes to charge forward but you can mitigate that by circling around him and then just chasing him when he charges.  The screaming antelope has a brutal mule kick if you're in its blind spot but you can stay around its sides instead.

The Kingsman's weak point is his blind spot, he has -4 toughness there, but your attacks won't actually hurt him cause battle pressure and unless you used a survival point to get in his blind spot during his turn (so you can use your own turn to move back out) he's going to turn around and blow you away when his turn starts, and that won't even be the end of his turn.

[Neyvn]

Well if anyone wants a game of something, I have a generous list of games I know how to play right now and even can turn around and grab the rule book from the box if needed. Its a tower worth of games tbh...

Spoiler: Me and My Games... (click to show/hide)

[Cthulhu]

I've been interested in dead of winter and IMperial Assault looks pretty cool but I don't know anything about it.  I'd also love to get some battlecon going.

[Neyvn]

Well Dead of Winter is a 3+ Player Game, its got a Betrayer system too. Its actually has a nice flow to it with a easy to play styled teamwork method.

Spoiler: Quickish Explination (click to show/hide)

Each round the players roll a bunch of dice equal to 1+N where N is the characters they control, this allows for action to be done in and around the outpost. The characters can be moved around the map to different locals to go search for food, tools, weapons and other things while being careful to not become Bitten, by frost or zombie. These tools and such are used to accomplish two different types of goals. There is the Team Goal, an over arching story that requires items to be brought back to be put into a pile to secure the amount of X needed, with different difficulties for each. There is also their Personal Secret Goals. These could be things like having enough food in their personal stash to doing other things, but they are only considered completed when the Team Goal is. On the other hand there is the Betrayer Goal, this is a goal that requires something else to be done, normally to decrease the Moral to 0 which means game over for all but the Betrayer if they complete the other things on their card, could be like killing off X characters in game or carrying certain things in their hand. Naturally the Betrayer loses if the other players complete the Team Goal...

Then there is the fact there are Disasters that happen each round that need to be addressed or bad things happen, such as having enough tools/fuel to defend against a wave of zombies, having enough food to bribe bandits and so forth, these can have some really bad effects if they fail but are something that could be ignored for the better of the Team Goal, the thing is though is that the Betrayer can really screw this up because donations to this is secret, you place into a pile the cards that go towards completing it but if there are cards that have nothing to do with it they counter those that do. Great way for a Betrayer to do his job, of course they could be spotted and exiled, this hasn't happened in the games I played so I have no idea...

Then there are the Crossroad events, things to keep the game interesting that happen each players turn, depending on if the requirements of the card are met, for example if a certain character is being controlled by the player in question then the card does it thing, this could be very helpful or very very bad depending on how its handled...

Imperial Assualt is another 3+ game but can also be played 2 player. The 2 Player is a skirmish match in lue of games like Battlefront Objectives where you have to capture X items and so forth, it plays interesting but haven't really gotten further then reading the rules. The 3+ Game is more akin to DnD, One player plays as the Imperials and such while the others are Rebel Heroes...

Spoiler: Quickish Explanation (click to show/hide)

The Goal of this is to tell a story that uses the Map tiles that jigsaw together to make different scenarios for the Rebel players to complete, they are not any of the Cannon heroes mind you they are their own people, Each have their special abilities and weapons that are used to fight against the Stormtroopers and other Baddies that come to stop them, but this isn't a War Game, this is more small Skirmishes of Special Agent Missions, meaning that most are timed missions with X amount of Rounds to complete the mission and get out. The First game always starts with a 7 Round Mission where you and your teammates need to fight your way into a small bunker and shut down the 4 Terminals emitting a Beacon alerting the Empire to the location of the Rebel base on Yavin 4. And depending on if you destroy the Terminals or not can bleed out into different stories, either leading to a sneak into a Secret Base of Defend a False Base against a tide of Stormtroopers to allow time for the Transports to escape the Real Base. Its very interesting...

The game plays with Dice deciding the results of actions with combat playing much like other Fantasy Flight RPGs where the Dice of both the Attacker and Defender are rolled at the same time with the Defenders dice canceling out that of the Attackers. Which is an interesting mechanic either way. Its a very RPG game...

I have joined the Group and am currently sitting in its chat if anyone wants to talk about getting into a game...

[sambojin]

Would still love BSG. It brings all the horrible skullduggery and cooperation a group game needs, but isn't too hard to learn. Just run the basic game (no expansions), yet allow all characters as choices (from all expansions) so it doesn't get boring on repeated plays.

Line of succession is harder to remember than basic rules, but you just look it up if it ever comes into play.

[Teneb]

I made a group.

Your link was broken. Fixed it. Probably.

[Neyvn]

I made a group.

Your link was broken. Fixed it. Probably.

I just searched for it. b12tts

[Cthulhu]

I have no idea how the url got like that, but it's fixed now.

Dead of Winter reminds me of 13 Dead End Drive, you had like 12 characters and drew a hand of cards to know who were "yours" but anyone could move any character.  The goal was to make sure one of your characters was alive and the favored heir when the game ended.

Trying to teach myself how to play Eldritch Horror now, pretty confus.

[BigD145]

I personally own around 300 board games and a small fraction are on tabletop sim. If I own it I probably can teach it.

[Cthulhu]

Figured out Eldritch Horror pretty securely, at least enough to know what's going on.  Not enough to win.  As much as I don't enjoy eurogames, dice are the fucking worst thing ever invented.

Hey, you're about to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat?  Well fuck you, have a bunch of 1s.  Now you lose.

[Neonivek]

I am one of the few people who just flat out doesn't like Elderich Horror.

I find Arkham Horror to be far superior... even with all its faults.

I guess because Elderich Horror feels not only more random but less flavorful.

Yet honestly if you like Elderich Horror by all means love it. I just have yet to have a single game of Elderich horror that was enjoyable... I always swear I am not playing the game right... So I reread the rules everytime.

[Cthulhu]

I'm teaching myself Arkham Horror now.  Can't say which I like more.

At least from my five or so turns of experience it seems like Arkham's a little easier, or at least the difficulty doesn't ramp up the way it does in Eldritch.  It probably didn't help that I tried Cthulhu, figuring for some reason that he'd be an easier, introductory experience.  Two rumor cards in phase one, plus the first Mystery was Cthylla spawning in the ocean.  That's quite an alpha strike.  Rumors especially seem more urgent in Eldritch, but I've only seen one in Arkham so maybe I got a lucky one.

Lost Arkham, but only by one Doom token.  Probably would've lost worse if I'd been paying attention, I killed one cultist and got lost in space twice, so that's three turns he should've woken earlier, possibly fewer since I started sealing gates around that time.