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[mirrizin]

There I was. The fort was running smoothly, not particularly busy. I was biding my time, waiting for the baronness to get promoted so I could look forward to becoming the mountainhome. The fort had been very stable, wiped out several goblin sieges and maybe a dozen or so forgotten beasts. Food and booze were plentiful, and nobody had so much as thrown a tantrum...and then it struck.

Suddenly, fistfights broke out between assorted civilian dwarves in the atrium. And then just about every civilian was suddenly fighting. After "administrators" started dying, I put the entire army on active duty for their own protection.

I checked the "justice" screen, no crimes had been committed. I looked for berserk dwarves, there were none.

By the time it passed, every non-military dwarf of any import was dead, as were most of the dwarves in general. A half dozen or so languished in the hospital. The nobility were all dead, save the mayor. The few survivors are tied down with picking up equipment or tending to the wounded.

There was no warning, no invasion, no insanity, no apparent causation that I could see. My best guess is a loyalty cascade, but there was no ordered attack before this point. Maybe something weird involving a guest? A brawl that got out of hand?

Any ideas?

[PatrikLundell]

I've seen a case where attacking a captured enemy (or releasing it and getting attacked), as well getting invaded immediately led to what seemed like every visitor in the fortress starting to attack the citizens, regardless of these visitors' parental civs.
My unsubstantiated guess is that this is something similar, where some remote world event triggers the attack of the 5:th column. A Legends Mode dump might show if a war broke out at that time.

[Khalari]

And that's why you should make a nice death chamber for visitors. Make it the only active Meeting Hall and forbid your dwarves from going in. Not like visitors have any real use, right?

[Urist McVoyager]

They can. You can get citizens out of them who do various things. Like human soldiers capable of wielding larger weapons than dwarven ones, for instance.

[mirrizin]

I'm also not sure this was caused by visitors. I haven't done any deep digging, but all of the early combatants were citizens. I think the first was a militia captain and a farmer.

[NJW2000]

Drunken brawling causing loyalty cascade?

[mirrizin]

Drunken brawling causing loyalty cascade?

That's my best guess. But I didn't think that was supposed to happen.

[TheFlame52]

I think it's the visitor thing mentioned earlier combines with a huge loyalty cascade. I've seen it happen in my forts.

[Baffler]

Do your dwarves mostly know each other? Maybe the original brawlers' friends saw the fight, felt vengeful, and jumped in on whichever side. The fight escalated, and with more and more dwarves drawn in and the various social connections leading to more interconnected vengefulness, it turned essentially into a free-for all.

[mirrizin]

Do your dwarves mostly know each other? Maybe the original brawlers' friends saw the fight, felt vengeful, and jumped in on whichever side. The fight escalated, and with more and more dwarves drawn in and the various social connections leading to more interconnected vengefulness, it turned essentially into a free-for all.

They're mostly dead now, and since replaced by migants, but last I checked the founding 7 were friends and there were a lot of friendly acquaintances.

Also. strangely, I think the initial fight happened in the atrium, pretty far away from the tavern.

[mirrizin]

I think it's the visitor thing mentioned earlier combines with a huge loyalty cascade. I've seen it happen in my forts.

That is my suspicion.

I recently engraved slabs for the whole lot, haven't had a chance for in-depth research, but it seems like certain military dwarves had some rather impressive kill-counts (until they were killed by other impressive military dwarves, one in particular, I think.) This is not surprising. It also seemed like a large number of children were taken out as well.

Also, given the total lack of berserkitude or formal crimes, I also think it was a loyalty cascade.

What would I look at under legends (admitting that I don't do much legends-hunting) to try to determine causation?

[Geltor]

this happened