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NW_Kohaku

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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2016, 12:16:35 pm »

Generally, when making a playable race, I tend to keep about half the tile open so that the creature can hold up an item that indicates profession. 

For example, here's a sample of my naga race professions:

The middle two rows are standard professions, and the 3, 2 (4, 3 when starting at 1) position is a cheesemaker, while a thresher wears the same clothes, but holds a sheaf of wheat, and the brewer is similarly clothed, but holds a glass of wine.

(The full list is:
Peasant, ghost, duke, broker,
miner, mechanic, woodcutter, chief medical naga,
weaponsmith, spinner, animal caretaker, cheesemaker,
reruit, spearnaga, master marksnaga, zombie.)
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2016, 12:34:30 pm »

I like the idea that particularly dedicated players could make thier own sprites specifically for thier generated races.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2016, 01:53:01 pm »

Ooh. Noodly goodness. But still, this would be more involved than the current idea of spriting content for modded-in races.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2016, 02:00:07 pm »

Ooh. Noodly goodness. But still, this would be more involved than the current idea of spriting content for modded-in races.

Not really, you can already have custom sprites for titans, but the problem is that they are merely TITAN_12 in the raws, so graphics sets just make all titans have the same graphic.

With some sort of way of telling players or a third-party app which characters relate to which raw names, then the "heavy lifting" of connecting raw names to sprites can be done by modders, themselves. 

(In fact, with DF Hack, it may be possible to do all this now, provided someone sits down and creates a method of associating graphics on the fly through reading the raws.)
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2016, 02:15:34 pm »

True. But that falls into the issue of the fact that the easiest method will likely not work unless a specific ID is associated with a specific appearance. Otherwise the differing generated races will all look the same, just as with the titan issue.

EDIT: Though what I mainly meant was that generating a world and adding graphics that make SENSE for what results would be infinitely more hassle than adding sprites for specific modded-in races. That way you don't have to change out desired sprite assignments with each world.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2016, 02:38:15 pm »

A third-party system could make changing out sprites fairly easy.  Just look at Phoebus's interface.

Something that works on the fly would require DF Hack, but that's basically what Stonesense does already with its dwarves that wear clothing that directly represents their actual clothing, down to being the color of the dye applied to their robe.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2017, 12:53:07 am »

Just want to mention that I made DFHack plugin that partially fixes this, allowing graphics according to the base creature that the generated creature is based off of.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162497.0
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2017, 01:28:00 am »

Just want to mention that I made DFHack plugin that partially fixes this, allowing graphics according to the base creature that the generated creature is based off of.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162497.0

Not sure whether to make angry dragon noises due to massive necropost, or because I know someday a DFHack user will cause hilarious confusion during a bug report with this.

Or both. Rawr. I guess.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2017, 01:35:52 am »

Just want to mention that I made DFHack plugin that partially fixes this, allowing graphics according to the base creature that the generated creature is based off of.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162497.0

Not sure whether to make angry dragon noises due to massive necropost, or because I know someday a DFHack user will cause hilarious confusion during a bug report with this.

Or both. Rawr. I guess.

The thread came up in a search, and I couldn't help myself.
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2017, 03:53:24 am »

Double sin there, a necro and a reply to a suggestion that 'mods can do that'. Off to the hammerer with you.

(Good info to know, of course, thanks!).
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2017, 05:11:58 pm »

Wouldn't that be only a singlesin though, because suggestion necros are allowed and prefered to making a new thread?
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Re: Graphics support for procedurally-generated races
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2017, 05:16:48 pm »

Double sin there, a necro and a reply to a suggestion that 'mods can do that'. Off to the hammerer with you.

(Good info to know, of course, thanks!).

"DFHack can do that" is what's heretical, if only because I've had DFHack users butt into a bug discussion only to be all "nah fam, this works oh wait you need DFHack" and such. :V

At least when I snark about being able to do something in my mods that you can't in vanilla, I'm up-front with it.
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