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FUCK YES LET'S LEAVE GET HYPE YEY

Casual yes, let's leave and get independence done with

Meh, probably just scribble all over my vote ballot to spite tryhards

Casual no, let's remain and get integration done with

FUCK NO LET'S REMAIN GET CALM YEY

[palsch]

Yep. Now time to look up the rules that govern how to trigger an actual leadership election in Labour (oddly the confidence vote isn't enough...). Watch for the whips resigning.

Ah, they simply need a challenger with 20% of the PLP backing them. I believe the magic number is still the 35 who backed Corbyn. Whoops, 51 MPs and MEPs. May be difficult with the way the party is fractured.

Late edit: Corbyn would also require 51 to appear on the ballot. Labour List are reporting only 40 MPs voted for him in the confidence vote, with the other 4 reported elsewhere actually abstaining. That would mean he needs at least 11 Labour MEPs (out of 20) or to swing some of those MPs.

[mainiac]

Nobody builds starter homes in cities because you don't make a two hundred thousand dollar property out of a three hundred thousand dollar land parcel. Affordable housing exists. You are talking about premium location without premium pricing.

It's like the bitching that hotel rooms near the convention are five hundred a night.  That's supply and demand. Look at motels on the outskirts of Philly and they cost 80.

Don't blame migrants for supply and demand.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Maniac's right. We have to nationalize the banks.

[mainiac]

Maniac's right. We have to nationalize the banks.

We missed the window on that. But just vite trump and we will get another chance in 10 to 20

[RedKing]

Nobody builds starter homes in cities because you don't make a two hundred thousand dollar property out of a three hundred thousand dollar land parcel. Affordable housing exists. You are talking about premium location without premium pricing.

Don't blame migrants for supply and demand.

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I'm not blaming them for anything, I'm pointing out that this surplus housing you're saying we should give them is not going to be housing they can afford. Or it's going to be in Bumfuck, Wyoming where there are no support services, no jobs, and a local population more than a little hostile to a wave of immigrants.

[mainiac]

I think the refugees would prefer bumfuck USA to Jordan.  And put them in bumfuck and pretty soon many will work their way up.

[palsch]

Because then they'd have to negotiate their accession to the EU - it's not a quick process, and all the fun concessions UK got over the years would be off the table. AFAIK one of the arguments for Scotland not leaving the UK was that it meant staying in the EU.

The argument in the first independence campaign was that they could get grandfathered in under the UK's membership and conditions. That was largely decried by other European nations.

If the UK was leaving however you could arguably have Scotland and Northern Ireland remain while England and Wales leave the UK. That way the United Kingdom of Scotland and Northern Ireland retains its seat at the EU.

Of course that opens up the question lawyers have been avoiding for years now; what is the correct collective term for England and Wales outside the UK? Scotland and Northern Ireland have greater autonomy so much law only applies to England and Wales, but that law is commonly referred to as "English".

[Helgoland]

I think the refugees would prefer bumfuck USA to Jordan.  And put them in bumfuck and pretty soon many will work their way up.

Ah, there used to be a Leftist poster like that here:

Anti-immigrant person: The boat is full!
Leftist person: Have you ever been to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern?

[RedKing]

I think the refugees would prefer bumfuck USA to Jordan.  And put them in bumfuck and pretty soon many will work their way up.

Ok, Horatio Alger.

EDIT: And no, I'm not looking to pick a fight. I just think you're being far too optimistic, and don't see a need to continue it further.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern?

how in the fuck do you pronounce two m's next to each other, what is this daemon magic

[NJW2000]

Actually, it's pretty common.

[palsch]

The Momentum group, formed out of those who supported Corbyn's original run for leader, are seeing a surge in membership alongside a petition of support for Corbyn. Earlier a Labour MP called for the group to be banned, believing it was threatening to drag Labour to the left and make them unviable as a party, in part by running deselection campaigns against moderate/centrist Labour MPs. A poll suggests the group does support such action against those opposing Corbyn, although it is outside their official stance.

If Corbyn doesn't appear on the leadership ballot there could be big trouble on the hard left.



Meanwhile Johnson says he won't call a general election if he wins the Conservative leadership (and PM office) and that he will outline his vision of a Brexit during his campaign based on the mandate from the referendum.

This is after an aide apparently said his proposals the other day came while tired and don't represent an actual proposal. Which makes me really confident in his negotiating abilities.

[LoSboccacc]

Maniac's right. We have to nationalize the banks.

I like how the list of problem is just growing taller. Sure, we can solve migration easy, just confiscate empty houses, nationalize banks to cover their losses and finance it all with tax money.


Oh hear this we can solve also the job shortage: have them unscrew bolts from bridges for money and hire native from the construction sector to fix them! win-win!

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern?

how in the fuck do you pronounce two m's next to each other, what is this daemon magic

never met an Emmanuel? o_O

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern?

how in the fuck do you pronounce two m's next to each other, what is this daemon magic

never met an Emmanuel? o_O

Begone devil worshiper!

[palsch]

Yep. Now time to look up the rules that govern how to trigger an actual leadership election in Labour (oddly the confidence vote isn't enough...). Watch for the whips resigning.

Ah, they simply need a challenger with 20% of the PLP backing them. I believe the magic number is still the 35 who backed Corbyn. Whoops, 51 MPs and MEPs. May be difficult with the way the party is fractured.

Late edit: Corbyn would also require 51 to appear on the ballot. Labour List are reporting only 40 MPs voted for him in the confidence vote, with the other 4 reported elsewhere actually abstaining. That would mean he needs at least 11 Labour MEPs (out of 20) or to swing some of those MPs.

It gets worse.

There is conflicting legal advice over whether Corbyn needs the nomination from MPs to be on the ballot. If he is on he will likely win among the general membership (still has the strong backing from Momentum and the unions), and whether or not he is may well be the result of a court case. That could make the fight even more bitter.

The Lib Dems and Greens should be recruiting a lot of new members and possibly an MP or two from this.