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IF YOU COULD VOTE TO LEAVE OR REMAIN WITHIN THE EUROPEAN UNION AS A SUBJECT OF HRH (PBUH) WITH PERMANENT RESIDENCE IN THE UK OR CITIZENSHIP ABROAD, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE?

FUCK YES LET'S LEAVE GET HYPE YEY
Casual yes, let's leave and get independence done with
Meh, probably just scribble all over my vote ballot to spite tryhards
Casual no, let's remain and get integration done with
FUCK NO LET'S REMAIN GET CALM YEY

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Author Topic: Breeki British Brexit thread  (Read 154762 times)

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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1110 on: June 25, 2016, 09:55:44 pm »

When you say "slapping down", you mean creating such laws?  The meaning I presumed was erasing such laws.
Ditto. And here was I thinking that you (previous 'you', not quoted in mainiacs post) were askng the Conservatives under <insert leader here> to actually do what the people wanted and revoke conditions that were letting fat cats get away with fiscal murder...
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1111 on: June 25, 2016, 10:12:41 pm »

Here's an idea that might help bring business to England: In a sign of solidarity with other local markets they could join into a collective that would ease the burden of crossing so many borders. All of that red tape only really accomplishes making things harder on an economy than it needs to be. There would need to be a body that could make sure all the competing interests are protected, of course, and a common list of standards.

Oh.

Oh right.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1113 on: June 25, 2016, 10:25:13 pm »

Here's an idea that might help bring business to England: In a sign of solidarity with other local markets they could join into a collective that would ease the burden of crossing so many borders. All of that red tape only really accomplishes making things harder on an economy than it needs to be. There would need to be a body that could make sure all the competing interests are protected, of course, and a common list of standards.

Oh.

Oh right.
To be fair that was the original thoughts of those who started the EU.
But EU regulations are now like a pile of spaghetti made of red tape.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1114 on: June 25, 2016, 10:28:26 pm »

Well no doubt the UKIP will discover that governing is wondrously easy to do.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1115 on: June 25, 2016, 10:32:06 pm »

Here's an idea that might help bring business to England: In a sign of solidarity with other local markets they could join into a collective that would ease the burden of crossing so many borders. All of that red tape only really accomplishes making things harder on an economy than it needs to be. There would need to be a body that could make sure all the competing interests are protected, of course, and a common list of standards.

Oh.

Oh right.
To be fair that was the original thoughts of those who started the EU.
But EU regulations are now like a pile of spaghetti made of red tape.
Yes, but unless the UK is going to stop trading with the EU, it still needs to follow all of those regulations. I know this because Canada has to follow all EU trade regulations in order to trade with them, and this has already fucked over our seal fur industry. And as members, the UK was in a position to have a say in what those regulations might be.

So now the UK has to follow all EU trade regulations without drawing any of the benefits.

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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1116 on: June 25, 2016, 10:33:03 pm »

So in other words you are talking out of your arse.
Theory crafting would be a better word.

Considering that some companies probably want to benefit from stuff like free trade?
I just assume they will need enticement to remain once status quo falls.
Export will become a slightly more complicated process and and the EU market is larger than the UK.
Plus the workforce availability both educated and not will diminish.

So if you own a company with experience in working within EU laws and have the resources to move your stuff to let's say Amsterdam then what's the point of staying exactly?
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1117 on: June 25, 2016, 10:45:13 pm »

Key leave campaigners admit that they lied to the public about the benefits of leaving.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/leave-campaign-rows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending
Followup: Farage here claimed he himself never made the bogus claim that £350 million saved by leaving the EU could be spent on the NHS. That's kindof true, but he did claim the amount was £1 billion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1118 on: June 25, 2016, 10:47:44 pm »

Meet the new boss.  Same as the old boss.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1119 on: June 25, 2016, 10:48:47 pm »

I kind of agree with Sonlirain. It doesn't seem much of a strectch that a right-wing/neoliberal government would want to lower taxes/regulations below what the EU would have allowed. I do think it's kind of alarmist, but it's not unlikely.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1120 on: June 25, 2016, 10:52:47 pm »

That's probably true, but I don't think there's any magical new options that have opened up because we've left the EU. We'd just be handing out money to businesses that could have been spent on other things.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1121 on: June 25, 2016, 11:11:19 pm »

As I understand it, Scotland is only a member of the EU through the UK. If they left the UK, they would leave the EU and have to rejoin. That risk was actually a major argument used for voting to remain in the UK back when the referendum happened.

The primary issue there was that the EU refused to pre-negotiate anything with the Scottish government before the referendum, saying that they wouldn't negotiate with a non-sovereign government or something, only the UK government. If there's a democratic mandate for independence confirmed by a referendum, and the EU continued to refuse to negotiate with us, we would probably have to rely on the UK government to negotiate the terms on our behalf. I don't particularly want to rely on Boris Johnson and Michael Gove in that kind of situation to obtain the best possible deal for us.

That said, we'll have to see how the EU is responding to us. I'm quite pessimistic about the EU considering how thoroughly they shafted us in 2014 and how they shafted the Greeks and the Ukrainians, but my hope is that they will take a different stance following the Brexit vote. In the best-case scenario they will allow some kind of negotiations to take place while Scotland is still a member of the United Kingdom, pre-independence declaration, and therefore a part of the EU throughout the process. That would probably involve representatives from the UK and Scotland, as well as Europe.

I might be underestimating the spitefulness of the EU top-table governments, and their punitive actions towards the UK right now aren't really doing anything to change my mind, but I really hope they come to their senses and see the benefits of supporting us - potentially the largest English speaking country in the EU, with the largest coastline that you can actually do stuff with and the only sovereign country sharing a land-border with England, with direct links to the financial centre in London (or what'll be left of it in the years to come). The problem I suppose is that the very concept of any country seeking independence and doing rather radical things like that offends the sensibilities of the Eurocrats.
On the contrary: The first goal of the EU will be ensuring this never happens again. The UK collapsing into splinters would absolutely make their day.

During the prior referendum, it was very much a case of internal politics; the UK was part of the EU, and so getting involved in any way which would upset the one government of the two that will 100% be there the next day is off the table.

But today, the UK has made it very clear that it is no longer internal politics, as it is effectively no longer inside the EU. And there won't really be a negotiation of terms for anything between the EU and UK. A negotiation, as it is usually understood, consists of two parties attempting to minimize harm to themselves while maximizing their own benefit. However, due to the questions brought up about whether the EU itself will even survive this, maximizing their own benefit not only entails doing good for their citizens and people affected by this, but also entails maximizing the harm enacted against the UK to ensure this never happens again and spreads elsewhere.

If there are negotiations, they will probably be solely between the EU and representatives from Scotland, and will probably involve "accidental" leaks about the talks detailing how, with all this investment money freed up, most of the money previously earmarked for the UK would end up going to Scotland.

Getting Scotland out of the UK and into the EU not only greatly spites the UK, but it reduces the effect of Brexit on the EU itself. They'll probably do just about anything short of paying to print up your campaign banners.
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1122 on: June 25, 2016, 11:16:34 pm »

That's probably true, but I don't think there's any magical new options that have opened up because we've left the EU. We'd just be handing out money to businesses that could have been spent on other things.
Well... yeah? "Magical new option" meaning "doing things that are forbidden inside the EU".
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1123 on: June 25, 2016, 11:17:50 pm »

That's probably true, but I don't think there's any magical new options that have opened up because we've left the EU. We'd just be handing out money to businesses that could have been spent on other things.
Well... yeah? "Magical new option" meaning "doing things that are forbidden inside the EU".

Ah yes, "things".
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Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« Reply #1124 on: June 25, 2016, 11:21:53 pm »

taxes/regulations
People do complain about the Union's red tape a great deal. If bypassing that isn't a goal of the brexit I'll be terribly confused.
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