To me, though, it just sounds more like the whining of sour grapes. (Before we even know who has won and lost, before we even know the margin. Get your retaliation in early!) There'd have been equivalent noises had the chosen resolution been the disenfranchising one.
Then you should examine your biases, to use the phrase of someone earlier ITT. If you genuinely don't see how two days of completely unopposed campaigning with the spine of state media from an action that was illegal whilst they were doing it (until they made it retroactively legal) then there's nothing more to be said.
And imagine the situation if the server had been reopened for just two hours, the next day or the day after that. 'Fair', but impractical. (Had I been still trying to register, I would not have known I could have, the following day, so it would have had to have been a 48-hour displacement replacement to benefit me.)
But it's obvious you prefer valid voters to have had no vote, rather than risking them actually hearing something that convinces them.
But of course, the issue is that the only thing they would have been hearing is pro-EU campaigns. Given that, you know, Brexit simply could not have planned to operate their campaign outside of legal limits, whilst Brexin laughs all over campaign limits.
I don't know why you're even worried.
I've helped labour peeps get registered knowing they'd vote EU, if you don't understand why I'm concerned with the state of our referendum then perhaps that goes to some length explaining why we are so completely separate in our opinions on the EU and democracy. To condense the paragraph I think you've missed thrice:
- When in the first five months to Referendum, Brexit MPs must be pro-EU for the first month, that is the first edge. Brexit campaigns had to begin later than the first state and private support for Bremain.
- Campaigns should have equal spending limits. Cameron outspent the Brexit campaign's entire budget in one day using British taxes without using up any of Brexin's limit. The most glaringly obvious and ridiculous.
- Campaigns should end on the same day, when voting registration ends. Obviously when one side can change the law whenever it suits them and their campaign continues for two more days with media and state media blitz unopposed - gg. Brexit couldn't even get a mandem on TV to get Brexit voters to register, and why the hell would they? Registration legally had to end then. Lol
Currently active in this thread appear to be two avowed Brexiters (you and LW), one "probably won't vote" (me) and someone (Wolfhunter) who I don't know how they're aligned or if they're even ellegible, without searching posts for more clues, but couldn't outvote you two anyway.
This thread is for discussion, not campaigning. You'll find there are many more Europeans and Americans in the lower board who can't vote here, but are interested in whatever the fuck is going on here xD
Or maybe just me and Wolfhunter are yet ready to call you out on what I call nonsensical and counter-democratic attitudes, but seemingly you have the exact opposite opinion.
What's nonsensical? You keep throwing around a lot of attacks on character without substance to back it up, and that's rather rude considering you're the lizard man conspiracy theorist :
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The stakes ITT are low, we do not need to proselytize for the causes we support. My goal for this thread is news, opinions of forumites and analyses. Likewise with counter-democratic, you level this great accusation, so where is your basis? One would think that those who are counter-democratic would be working in the EU, given that the whole point of it all is bureaucrats beholden to no electorates. Though I do like their experiments with democracy
26 Feb 1986, Denmark holds a referendum on creating the single market. 56.2% in favour of creating the market, referendum result upheld.
26 May 1987, Ireland holds a referendum on creating the single market. 69.9% in favour of creating the market, referendum result upheld.
2 Jun 1992, Denmark holds a referendum on the Maastricht Treaty, which would surrender their currency, bank, citizenship, foreign policy and supremacy of law, leading to the creation of the modern institutions of the EU.
Danes vote against it with 50.7% against, made to vote again. At least they got 4 opt outs, for a while.
20 Sep 1992, France holds a referendum on the Maastricht Treaty, 50.1% in favour, referendum result upheld.
18 May 1993, Denmark holds their redone referendum, 56.8% in favour of the treaty, decision upheld.
28 Nov 1994, Norway holds a referendum on accession to the European Union, 52.2% vote against and thus they remain outside of the Union. Ignoring the result, their government signs them up to the European Economic Area without referendum, leading to the funny situation where the Danes and Britons within the EU are less integrated than the Norwegians outside.
22 May 1998, Ireland holds a referendum on the Amsterdam treaty, giving away control of immigration, adopting civil and criminal laws, enacting common foreign and security policy (CFSP), as well as implementing institutional changes for expansion as new member nations join the EU. 61.74% vote in favour, referendum result upheld.
28 May 1998, Denmark holds a referendum on the Amsterdam treaty. 55.1% in favour, referendum result upheld, losing their citizenship opt out and migration opt out.
28 Sep 2000, Denmark holds a referendum on whether to lose their economic opt-out. The Danish Economic Council correctly gauges that the Euro is a political project, not an economic one, and the EU sanctioning of Austria shows the Danes how the EU was beginning to control the affairs of its smaller states. 53.2% vote against, referendum result upheld.
2001, the Irish hold a referendum on whether or not to pass the Treaty of Nice. 53.9% of Irish voters reject the treaty.
They are made to vote again.
With the second referendum taking place in 2002 it passes with 62.9%.
Second referendum result upheld.
29 May 2005, France holds a referendum on whether to ratify the European Constitution. 54.9% vote against. The Netherlands holds a referendum on the European Constitution, 61.5% against. The European Constitution is struck down. 4 years later the European Constitution is rebranded the Treaty of Lisbon, the French and Dutch are not given referendums, no one except Ireland is.
12 Jun 2008, Ireland votes on whether to ratify the Lisbon Treaty. 53.2% voted against, made to vote again.
2 Oct 2009, Ireland votes on whether to ratify the Lisbon Treaty. 67.1% voted in favour, referendum result upheld.
5 Jul 2015, Greece votes on whether to accept the Troika's economic conditions. 61% of Greeks vote no - with the majority of every region of Greece voting to reject the Troika's measures. In a way the referendum result was upheld, as the Greeks are made to accept even harsher terms.
Interestingly whilst our Prime Minister John Major signed us up for the Maastricht Treaty without referendum, the majority of the Conservative MPs opposed him and threatened to no-confidence him into retirement. On the 22 July 1993, the Labour Party tries to pass a postponement of the Treaty through Parliament, with support from the Tory bloc the bill gets stalemated at 317 in favour, 317 against - with the speaker casting the final deciding vote. The government is nearly brought down 3 times. In response for failing to support their leader in their leader's support of the EU, changes to Tory party membership were made to allow new MP candidates to only be selected as approved by the whip or from a list of candidates. Furthermore, party leadership could deselect a rebellious MP's candidacy, remove their whip or have their association suspended if they disobey the Conservative Central Office. We got a lot of good opt-outs from their sacrifices.
Remember, if you don't like the result, make them vote again - that's democratic xD
Or maybe you're just a Hameron and you want to game the vote - that's still democratic lol
How are the votes cast, by the way? Post, ballot box?
Postal vote and ballot box. Or vote by proxy, which is just someone else posting your vote for you
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