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FUCK YES LET'S LEAVE GET HYPE YEY

Casual yes, let's leave and get independence done with

Meh, probably just scribble all over my vote ballot to spite tryhards

Casual no, let's remain and get integration done with

FUCK NO LET'S REMAIN GET CALM YEY

[Orange Wizard]

It's almost as though the Europeans drew arbitrary lines and called them borders

US Public School = UK State School
US Private School = UK Prep/Public School

I don't know what any of this means any more

[TheDarkStar]

It's almost as though the Europeans drew arbitrary lines and called them borders

US Public School = UK State School
US Private School = UK Prep/Public School

I don't know what any of this means any more

In the US we also have these things called charter schools. They get state funding but are run like US Private/UK Prep schools.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's not even a distinct category, they're just private schools in a state with a charter program.

[Starver]

Ok, as we're diverted, "Public School" in the UK is from the historic distinction from privately run schools, that were just a level below private tutilidge as far as exclusivity was concerned. In fact such  public schools generally started off as Charity Schools, not run for profit (quite so much) or (quite so) exclusive.as to which pupils they took in - as long as they qualified for a scholarship, of course. This was before complsory education really kicked in, so there was no general education provided to hoi poloi outside of local provision by the church or any other benefactor.

These days, Public Schools have morphed into a subset of Independent Schools (fee-paying, 'private schools' in the very real sense).  As opposed to State Schools ('public school' as far as most of the rest of the world is concerned) run (or ran..  see 'Academies') by or in conjunction with the Local Education Authority (roughly cognate with local government council areas, SFAIAA) and which tend to be non-self-selecting, although this line is blurred when it comes to Faith Schools, traditionally of the Catholic or CofE pursuasions, which have sometimes at least paid lip-service to their particular creed when interviewing prospective parents the parents of prospective pupils.

[martinuzz]

To be fair, I know piss all about American geography so it's a two-way street.

America... I keep forgetting where exactly it is. It's a province of Disneyland, right?

[Orange Wizard]

No, that's California. Different country. The USA is between Mexico and New York.

[Max™]

No, that's California. Different country. The USA is between Mexico and New York.

You're thinking of Texas, it's kinda like Australia if everything wasn't trying to kill you, there is literally nothing else between Mexico and New York besides Texas and a rather pretty mountain range.

Oh, and like half a million tons of methamphetamines.

[Loud Whispers]

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Just realised I never did go back. Still mean to, though. When I can do it justice.

No probs, we got a whole month xD

Nah I said public education, not public schools, and the Murricans have different terminology for their equivalents which is worth mentioning because Americans are the most people on the internet

Operative word now highlighted, although I realise you apparently never meant to say that. Truly, just "Education" without the side-comment would have been better.
And we have intelligent Leftpondians on these forums, I don't think we need to pander to them as if they're full-blown "Hell, yeah!" 'Merkins. Especially in a conversation so obviously rooted in the UK.[/quote]
I'm not leaving anything to chance, being intelligent does not mean one is omniscient or entirely clear on everything about x, especially when it comes to more esoteric things

Yeah it's miners based in London, same as for forestry peeps, you don't extract much from the ground you sleep on

Tell a coalfield community that...
(And then there's this although the latest I heard about it, it was an old lead mine, and I don't recall knowing about lead-mining in that part of the city. (Not coal either, admittedly, that area of leafy suburbs being up on the low flanks of the Peak District, where millstone tops and inorganic mineral mines and quarries do dominate, when it comes to exploiting the geology.)

Practically sure you can, but as one not given too much into superstition I'd still be too superstitious to sleep atop extracted ground. Sinkholes sure, but it's too much like sleeping above one's own grave - I've already crossed my name off the hungry ghosts' list, I don't want to test my luck anymore :P

If you think that was caused by innovation you are in for a long fall, cos the number of people who've gotten by with stagnancy number in the Ottomans

Cannot parse that. I get your sentiment, from what follows (in which you don't say anything I disagree with) but I don't understand what your counter-argument is, because you don't contradict my assertion at all.

That if you think the subprime-mortgage crash was caused by innovation you're wrong. You haven't proved your assertion to any degree

You suggest you vote in 'party elections' and yet are not a member of a party...  Did you mean General Elections (and Council, and European, and possibly PCC/Mayoreal/etc too)? That's a different thing, and I explicitly do not disenfranchise myself through my party-indifference (as I already do not vote for a Party, when there are people to vote for, regardless of what party they are listed for).

Tick all of the above, with the addendum that I haven't actually said anything about my own party membership status

It's an imperfect system to be true

"Democracy: the worst form of government. Except for all the others." And different brands of democracy solve and set their own unique problems, relative to their cousins, to make it 'fun'.

Capital 'F', Fun

God I hope nobody thinks I'm an intelligent leftpondian. I just now realized Belgium is a country, and LW is apparently a Brit. I'm torn because I love the stuff he does in DF, but I've got a mix of Native American and Scot ancestry so...

For ones, Scots are Brits, for seconds I'm neither English nor Scottish, Welsh or Irish, Wightian or Mandem of Mann, Orcadian or cheeki Falklander

I got Cornish in me but I'd dare not say I'm Cornish

Just British, cos we >civic lad

Boris vs Cameron is getting hype. Boris called the EU hitler, his approval ratings doubled that of Cameron's, Corbyn adopted a new strategy of saying we're better off fucking the Tories than the EU and upcoming hype battle: Brown vs Bogolord

Unrelated police banter

Literally Adolf Bonaparte incarnate:
"“The Italians, who used to be a great motor-manufacturing power, have been absolutely destroyed by the euro – as was intended by the Germans,” Mr Johnson claims.
“The euro has become a means by which superior German productivity is able to gain an absolutely unbeatable advantage over the whole eurozone.” He adds: “This is a chance for the British people to be the heroes of Europe and to act as a voice of moderation and common sense, and to stop something getting in my view out of control.”
Meanwhile, the Vote Leave campaign published research suggesting that the single market had failed Britain. Official EU statistics show that over the last decade, the value of British exports of goods to the EU has fallen by 18 per cent.
By contrast, German exports of goods during the same period rose by 78.9 per cent."

Sheeeeeit

[Starver]

Abbreviated, @LW, as there was nothing of great import to discuss in that last one. Until I go back to the missed message, I think this batting back and forth has run out of steam.

As indicated, people do live (and sleep) above the ground that they mine.

How would (further) innovation stopped the sub-prime mortgage crash? Further repackaging to further obfuscate the innovative obfuscations that packaged so much bad debt in with the good, thus causing the problem. The extraordinary proof required is that stagnation somehow allowed such disparate risks to gravitate together into a low-risk-looking chunk. Unfortunately, while the universe (probably) isn't full of little angels pushing things around so as to 'fake' gravity, loan-chunks do absolutely require people to actively make decisions of this kind for them to happen.   "Hey guys, I bet it would be a good idea if..." is probably something like the way this innovative solution to sub-primes which led to the problems we saw.

"I have zero party allegiance to any of them, still won't deprive myself of influence on purpose" looks like "I am not a member of a party. Are you not a member of a single party, and inflencing (infinitesimally) multiple parties? Good luck with that, but you're probably wasting your subscription fees by spreading yourself  bets and risking summary expulsion for acting contrary to each and every party's interests, at which point you're back to where I am, voting for public elections, but not party ones.  (Or you've yet again said something that I have dimwitedly misunderstood.)

(You missed out Hebridean and Zetlander, I think, as to who you are not. Or you're just off the coast of France, but nobody I know down there is quite as Europhobic as you, either.)

[Max™]

Well, when I say Brit I generally mean something besides the Scots, Welsh, or Leprechauns. I vaguely get the Cornish bit, but I'm not sure if it is due to growing up watching a lot of Are You Being Served and the like on PBS at night, or more recently getting caught back up with the NuWho series.

Oh yeah, when exactly is the referendum or whatever finalized?

[Sheb]

The economist made a nifty poll tracker for the Brexit thing. Currently 43 in, 38 out.

[Loud Whispers]

Well, when I say Brit I generally mean something besides the Scots, Welsh, or Leprechauns. I vaguely get the Cornish bit, but I'm not sure if it is due to growing up watching a lot of Are You Being Served and the like on PBS at night, or more recently getting caught back up with the NuWho series.

You mean the English then. Uh... No comment on the latter bit.

Oh yeah, when exactly is the referendum or whatever finalized?

23 June

Also The Guardian is writing pro-UK, wtf is going on

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Whatever happens, I'll be sure to shoot off some Ultimate Freedom Day fireworks early, risking my own permanent mutilation if not death, in celebration of Uckland in general and David "Not A Pig If The Sausage Is Hid" Cameron specifically. Maybe I'll reserve a purple fountain for Nigel Farage.

[Starver]

Remember, everyone, that (except for some exceptions) if you haven't registered to take part in the Tory leadership campaign by midnight tonight, you've missed your chance.

(Strange that Labour opened up their own contest to anyone willing to pay, but the Conservatives are giving this privilidge to everyone on the Electoral Role, for free!)

[Loud Whispers]

Remember, everyone, that (except for some exceptions) if you haven't registered to take part in the Tory leadership campaign by midnight tonight, you've missed your chance.

(Strange that Labour opened up their own contest to anyone willing to pay, but the Conservatives are giving this privilidge to everyone on the Electoral Role, for free!)

That's because Labour political membership was atrocious, so to remove the influence of Unions which picked the unelectable Miliband and to boost party membership, they did the same thing Google did with Google+, have it or you can't talk shit
Ironic because it made the Unions dominate and rekt the power of Labour MPs, but it did boost Party membership, thus Googleplussing did sort of work as long as you weren't one of them MPs

Tories don't have to worry about some third inner faction wonking them up (well, not more than usual anyways)
Also useful infographic for anyone wondering who's most likely to win and why:

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