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[LordBaal]

Well the guy did got fired.

[Dostoevsky]

Well the guy did got fired.

I mentioned this to a person who once spent a lot of time in South America (same person I mentioned earlier in this thread), and they half-jokingly responded that Brazil's government is so xenophobic they were fired for copying, not for who exactly was being copied.

[Teneb]

Yeah, the asshole was fired for the backlash. And now one of the president's sons (who is a politician as well) wants to criminalize communism because, according to the president's cattle, "it's worse than nazism!"

Ugh. I am seriously thinking of trying to find a job abroad now that I'm graduating.

[LordBaal]

Well, both are terrible ideas and have led to horrible tragedies. If I agree with something is that both need to be exposed as criminal and to be avoided.

[Magistrum]

Or, spitballing here, not emulate dictators. That seems reasonable.

[Teneb]

Let's please remember that the very first thing the Nazis did, even before they started going after jews and other minorities, was to criminalize and round up communists.

[Reelya]

"I'm not emulating Goebbels, that's all an insidious plot by the shadowy international Jewish bankers".

[JoshuaFH]

Ignorant American coming in: What is Brazil even trying to accomplish? With Nazi Germany, the motivation towards Nazism was pretty clear, if misguided. I'm not familiar with Brazilian history, but I don't think they endured the same things that they did which would spark behavior like this.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Fascism is rising all over due to the disintegration of the capitalist world order - Brazil's specific case is merely that of an early adopter.

[Loud Whispers]

Fascism is rising all over due to the disintegration of the capitalist world order - Brazil's specific case is merely that of an early adopter.

I argue that fascism is just late-stage capitalism institutionalising the informal compact between corporate and state power

[Magistrum]

I argue that fascism is just late-stage capitalism institutionalizing the informal compact between corporate and state power

I'm trying to not be convinced at the spot, but it sounds incredibly well descriptive of the recent events. Is there any reading on that?

[LordBaal]

The socialism actually ends up in fascism as well, everything stems and is with or within the state, if not then you can "go die fascist pig", which is one of the most amusing ironies I can find, if very sad too.

And nazis rounding up communist doesn't mean communist is good. It was just your regular case of stupid vs stupid. The communist got ample change of revenge too, which... was karmic?

[Magistrum]

Seems like you are conflating totalitarianism with fascism. There is a good case to be made about socialism inciting totalitarianism but it seems hard to rationalize nationalist zealotry with socialist ideals. Specially if you try to give the "you guys are the same as fascists" routine to the anarchists.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Fascism is rising all over due to the disintegration of the capitalist world order - Brazil's specific case is merely that of an early adopter.

I argue that fascism is just late-stage capitalism institutionalising the informal compact between corporate and state power

That's true, but incomplete. There are lots of countries which institutionalized that which aren't fascist, though they are typically authoritarian to some degree. Fascism's specific nature of totally denying reality and the qualities listed in Eco's Ur-Fascism is spawned from the damage space where liberalism has been burned away.

[Magistrum]

Here's a good topic I don't often see discussed, what are the common causes of the recent extreme right-wing push world wide? Is the heat "melting peoples brain" and making them more violent like the Arab Spring deal people used to talk about?