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[Teneb]

Brazillll. Wtf.........

Bad South American antics makes your North American cousins (including the US) sad....

You mean the same US who enabled and supported various brutal regimes?

But fuck Temer.

[Glowcat]

Brazillll. Wtf.........

Bad South American antics makes your North American cousins (including the US) sad....

The last century has been the American hegemony aiding these right-wing regimes and toppling democratically elected leftist ones so like... they're not that sad.

Speaking of Sad!, give the US administration some more time and you might see American Civil War Part 2 in the next few decades. Further criminalization of protesters and a militarized police force aren't there to decorate a peaceful and fair society.

[martinuzz]

A helicopter attacked the High Court building in Venezuela. It is said to have fired 15 shots and thrown 4 grenades. No one was injured.
On social media, a message was spread in which Venezuelan police pilot Oscar Pérez calls upon the people of Venezuela to 'revolt against the tyranny of Maduro. It is your duty to free your country from this corrupt government'.

Maduro has responded by threatening his population with war. "If Venezuela is thrown into chaos, we will got to war. We will never give up, and what cannot be achieved with votes, shall be acheived with weapons. We will liberate our fatherland with weapons".
He accuses the CIA of being involved in the helicopter attack, and calls Pérez a CIA agent, while showing a photograph of Pérez in front of the US House of Representatives, and another photo of Pérez in front of a US coastguard helicopter on state television.

[Reelya]

For balance, this is the publicly posted picture of the guys who say they want to take over, violently. Same guys who just tried to do a terror attack at a public event at the ministry building:




Maduro responded by saying that if there is a violent takever then the left will resist. e.g. if there's a military extra-legal coup then they will fight. It's kind of a rock and a hard place. How should an elected official respond to threats of a military coup? "Oh ok no harm done?" Maduro was in fact elected and hasn't finished his term, which ends next year. He'll probably lose that election, he might not even stand for re-election. The opposition want to have a military takeover before the scheduled election, for "reasons" because then they can rewrite the rules and carry out a purge.

Also remember that the right when they were in power carried out mass killing against protestors (estimates range from hundreds to thousands killed) without batting an eyelid. Well ... you can say that was a while ago, but they did the same shit in 2002 when they were in power for a couple of days, there's footage of the right-wing cops firing shotguns into crowds of protestors etc, and many of the leaders from then are part of the same thing now. Contrast that to deaths in the current protests where they're stretching to count deaths caused by protestors or the protests as "Maduro's fault", and the story is completely different.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-27/venezuela-death-toll-jumps-as-protesters-battle-security-forces/8475488
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39645809

The best they can come up with is that the government used tear gas and water cannons against rioters. One protestor got killed by being hit in the head by a cannister, which is probably in the realms of accidental death. Also, a lot of security forces are coming under sniper fire and the like, those are being counted in these news reports in the protest-death headlines.

If you read the descriptions of the times there was deliberate targeting of rightwingers in the examples in that BBC article, one parallel comes to mind: Antifa. That's basically one of the problems here. Same as the USA, Venezuela has violent grassroots people on both sides of the political fence. Once shooting starts between those grassroots elements, normal control is basically off the table. But almost none of the deaths are attributable to security forces using deadly force against protestors. It makes about as much sense to blame Maduro directly for shootings that occur between grassroots activists on both sides, as to blame Hillary Clinton and Obama for whatever Antifa does.

[Dorsidwarf]

Quick question: Why do you capitalize 'Nazi' like that? It's not like it's an acronym. Hell, it's not even a proper shortening - that would've been 'Naso'. Since that doesn't sound cool, but rather like a nose-themed superhero, they just took the first syllables and spelled them wrong.

A quick lookup suggests that "Nazi" is shortened from the German name of the National Socialist German Workers' party, "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei". Not quite sure why the shortened it like that, though.

I seem to recall being taught that it's because the socialist party was nicknamed the Sozis, so the National Socialists were referred to as "Nazis" when they showed up.

[Teneb]

Remember kids: everyone is wrong in this shitstorm. I'm currently wondering how the rest of UNASUL will respond, if at all, to a Venezuelan civil war. Probably some strong words and little else at first.

[Reelya]

Let's have a little good news. Today FARC officially disarmed in the Colombian peace deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/27/colombia-farc-weapons-war-government

...

Sadly, this deal doesn't do much about the right-wing paramilitaries, who ex-president Uribe's family and political allies are heavily linked to. The same Uribe who was dead against the peace deal with FARC. Reason? Civil war gives the perfect cover to get away with this shit:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/amnesty-international-par_b_9637088.html

In the month of March, 2016 alone, 30 individuals have been assassinated by paramilitary groups. Of these, “14 were community and political activists and 16 assassinated in the context of ‘social cleansing’ operations by paramilitary groups.” In addition, on April 1, 2016, prominent human rights leader and former senator, Piedad Cordoba, barely survived an assassination attempt by paramilitaries in the Afro-Colombian town of Quibdo. Again, these are not the random acts of “criminal gangs” as Colombian and U.S. authorities would have us believe.

Colombian government report tallied massacres by all sides here. 1804 massacre events, of which 343 (19%) were attributed to the anti-government side in the war. However it's not clear who's massacring civilians here (who make up 80% of deaths), since the only mention in the article of specific incident for a FARC massacre was a battle against government troops.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/25/colombia-conflict-death-toll-commission

[martinuzz]

In Brasil, a child ran a car into the presidential palace. After crashing through the entrance gate, guards fired warning shots. When the car did not slow down, they shot to kill. And missed. After crashing the car into the palace, the boy was arrested unharmed.
President Temer was not in the palace at the time.

[Helgoland]

Quick question: Why do you capitalize 'Nazi' like that? It's not like it's an acronym. Hell, it's not even a proper shortening - that would've been 'Naso'. Since that doesn't sound cool, but rather like a nose-themed superhero, they just took the first syllables and spelled them wrong.

A quick lookup suggests that "Nazi" is shortened from the German name of the National Socialist German Workers' party, "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei". Not quite sure why the shortened it like that, though.

I seem to recall being taught that it's because the Social Democrat party was nicknamed the Sozis, so the National Socialists were referred to as "Nazis" when they showed up.

FTFY. We're not filthy collectivizing assholes, we're well-groomed reformist assholes!

[redwallzyl]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535653007/violence-breaks-out-at-venezuelas-national-assembly

Well that's a thing. Certainly guaranteed to make the Venezuelan version of c-span more interesting.

[smjjames]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535653007/violence-breaks-out-at-venezuelas-national-assembly

Well that's a thing. Certainly guaranteed to make the Venezuelan version of c-span more interesting.

I'm a bit confused, pro-government protestirs attacking the Venezuelan Parliament (well, the legislative wing) seems rather anti-government. Apparently, just before the attack, the VP made an unannounced visit and urged supporters to show their support... and that appears to be exactly what happened here. Just goes to show how high the tensions are there.

[Teneb]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535653007/violence-breaks-out-at-venezuelas-national-assembly

Well that's a thing. Certainly guaranteed to make the Venezuelan version of c-span more interesting.

I'm a bit confused, pro-government protestirs attacking the Venezuelan Parliament (well, the legislative wing) seems rather anti-government. Apparently, just before the attack, the VP made an unannounced visit and urged supporters to show their support... and that appears to be exactly what happened here. Just goes to show how high the tensions are there.

Pro-government here means pro-president. Maduro and the congress are at odds.

[smjjames]

Venezuelas economy is really in a death spiral cycle, though 'death spiral' might be putting it lightly.

That fugitive Venezuelan helicopter pilot has reappeared at a vigil. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up leading some sort of coup, or maybe he's just someone people are rallying around atm. Also, something's supposed to happen on July 18th, calls it 'Zero-hour'.

[Teneb]

Everything is in spanish because reasons. Consider yourselves warned.

Apparenty, the European Union wants to sanction Venezuela. Except Portugal.

Even Trump is getting in on the action.

Meanwhile, congresspeople from Chile and Colombia are trying to denounce Maduro for international crimes.

[TempAcc]

Lol Portugal