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Yes keep it

5 (41.7%)

No its ahistorical please remove it.

7 (58.3%)

Total Members Voted: 12

[Kot]

Given how easily they blow up, they need something to be useful

Given that we use historical vehicles they should be balanced with cost instead of changing what they actually were.

[Ghazkull]

i actually don't remember since when i drew up the stats of most of these tanks was two years ago but i remember reading that the 38(t) had indirect fire capabilities...in any case i won't change the stats of any of the tanks.

[Kot]

I am 99,9% sure that 38(t) doesn't have any meaningful indirect fire capabilities, besides those of any tank.

in any case i won't change the stats of any of the tanks.

Lame.
German bias confirmed.

[Ghazkull]

Ah yes found it, due to me starting writing down tanks with the german ones i presume that back then the 4th listing was not indirect fire but simply even further range. thats where that artillery firing comes from.

Anyway if people want me to change it i will change it otherwise the 38 will stay as it is.
And quite honestly i don't care if you think im biased towards german tanks.

In fact if you are unhappy with the technical data and accuracy in regards to real world statistics why don't you set up such a game? I'd be more than interested in joining, since i certainly want to play this myself.

Anyway putting up a vote if somebody wants to change the 38(t)s ahistorical artillery capability...not that its super effective or anything.

[Twinwolf]

As nobody is currently using it, it won't mess up any builds, so I vote to change it.

[Kot]

And quite honestly i don't care if you think im biased towards german tanks.

Saying German bias (or more commonly Soviet bias but any bias will do) is kinda of a joke when it comes to WW2 "simulator" games like WoT or War Thunder or whatever. I wasn't serious, especially considering that nationality doesn't really mean a lot in this game. :S

In fact if you are unhappy with the technical data and accuracy in regards to real world statistics why don't you set up such a game? I'd be more than interested in joining, since i certainly want to play this myself.

Do something myself? Are you crazy?!?

Instead of indirect fire 38 just add indirect fire Su-76 or something. Maybe some Italian Semoventes or clarify the StuG to be the latter version (which it is, considering the long 75mm) and add earlier version. Or earlier version Panzer IV. Or Panzer III N.

[Stirk]

I find it silly that we are arguing about this and just want to get to the next round :-0.

[Parsely]

Ghaz if you're okay with me borrowing this system, since the actual tank combat you've set up here seems very robust, then I would love to make my own game based on this, with a different focus.

[Kashyyk]

Seeing as I do use the 38, I'd like to keep it with the rules I bought it with.

[Ghazkull]

completely fine with it Gunin

[Twinwolf]

Speaking of the system, could we actually get a description of it somewhere in the thread? We only get a vague idea during gameplay, and when not in gameplay all we can figure out is more armor = good.

[piratejoe]

Here's a good idea,LETS GET ON WITH IT! I want to destroy tanks and feast on the tears of my enemy's.

[Insanegame27]

It's just a game people. Man up, move on.

[Sheb]

Keep it. Who cares if it's ahistorical, it's balanced.

[Parsely]

I just think it's a little contradictory that I'm being shown animosity for pointing out things I think are mistakes when Ghaz said this in the OP.

If you find wrong data, feel free to tell me and give me sources/info for improvements, i try to stay close to what i have, but some of the info is added based on similiar models or what would (propably) make sense.

I'm just saying that there are a lot of contradictions. The 37mm on the 38(t) can be used for indirect fire. Why? If the 38(t) can perform indirect fire then why can't the Sherman? The Sherman has a bigger gun and a +25 degree elevation traverse. The 38(t) only has +20 degrees of gun elevation. If you're not going to be historical, which is fine, is it alright to at least ask for consistency?

Seeing as I do use the 38, I'd like to keep it with the rules I bought it with.

My suggestion would be to let you keep the special one, call it a variant, then fix the actual tank for future buys.