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[Delta Foxtrot]

I have been painfully reminded of the importance of a research plan. Troops are fine and dandy against indies but you really need some extra oomph for PVP.

[Hatman]

Regarding sieges, 9 base morale is starting to hurt. But I have lizard kings, summons, longdead et cetera, so it shouldn't continue to hurt for much longer.
Regarding research plans, they win games. So I've already dropped part of mine over an exciting indy mage. Can't wait to reap the results of that brilliant scheme.

[Shadowlord]

Editing Indy mages can win games too, you just need a new plan. 

[chaoticag]

I have been painfully reminded of the importance of a research plan. Troops are fine and dandy against indies but you really need some extra oomph for PVP.

Yup. Seeing as you're already hit the mainstay of C'tis you need to figure what shinuyama can do well at least. Seems an interesting nation of rainbow mages at the very least, but not sure how to best leverage that.

Edit: Well, looks like llamaserver has some weirdness when a player is knocked out. Asphodel should take a reminder to send a 2h file in anyway, but it's not going to be a huge loss if the hosting time is missed.

[ThtblovesDF]

So I just now learned that admin increases your income, I always figured it just "draws in resources" that effectivly.

Maybe I should have build forts on high income provinces, eh... : / the more you know ~

[USEC_OFFICER]

Well, the problem is that the admin bonus isn't a massive boost to gold production. I want to say that someone did the math once and figured out that the bonus gold pays for the Fort in +20 turns but... I can't remember exactly. It's definitely way too long to be worth spamming forts everywhere though.

[Delta Foxtrot]

I seem to recall some math a long time ago about it not being worth it. If someone happens to link that or correct me, cool. But basically building a higher level fort for admin alone takes a lot of turns to pay itself back under ideal circumstances. Game might not last a lot of turns, and you most likely won't have ideal circumstances to work with. Between rituals, raiders and armies marching about, lots of things will tank your forts' income.

Not a bad idea to build on farms though. You're less likely to lose that provinces while fighting. Except farms have less gems and resources. And sometimes geopolitical landscape just doesn't agree with that farmland fort. It's all up to whatever you value most.

[chaoticag]

Well, forts in high resource areas are also good. Having a fort gives you access to the "hidden half" of the resources in a province, and draws from touching provinces (exception to the touching provinces thing. Sea forts do not interact with land provinces, land forts do not with sea provinces). Hidden resources are first drawn from the hidden half, then from the available half. I believe admin also helps distribute better supplies in an area...

But yes, 50 admin is 150% income instead of 100%

Though yeah. It's a lot of money and turns spent. Generally, you get more of an effect with scales I think.

[jking47]

Oh dear, it looks like Shinuyama and Arcosphale have decided to target me. I did kind of have a feeling it was coming.

[chaoticag]

Nothing personal! Well, okay, I was targeting those lands you grabbed so damnit! Maybe a little personal. Out of everyone I've had dealings with, I've talked to you the least so it's pretty threatening seeing an army that big so near my borders out of nowhere.

[jking47]

Yeah, we both kind of seemed to be racing for that throne, to be honest if you got there first I might have done the same thing haha.

Did not expect it to happen at the same time as Shinuyama though, but looking back I did take a lot of his stuff. I probably deserve this.

[EuchreJack]

Yeah, we both kind of seemed to be racing for that throne, to be honest if you got there first I might have done the same thing haha.

Did not expect it to happen at the same time as Shinuyama though, but looking back I did take a lot of his stuff. I probably deserve this.

MP 101: Don't attack alone, gang up!

[chaoticag]

To be fair, I did not even know Shinuyama was in on it. You just seemed to be in a momentarily vulnerable position.

[Culise]

Nothing personal! Well, okay, I was targeting those lands you grabbed so damnit! Maybe a little personal. Out of everyone I've had dealings with, I've talked to you the least so it's pretty threatening seeing an army that big so near my borders out of nowhere.

Yeah.  I've been looking rather askance at both Ulm and Marignon for that reason.  There's just something about seeing over 150 soldiers in a province when you're the only neighbor that could possibly merit such a troop deployment. 

[USEC_OFFICER]

Sorry about that, Vanarus. It's hard not to spam soldiers from every fort, even if it's right on your borders. Can you not hold it against me?