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[Aigre Excalibur]

I'll still process the last turn, just waiting for Nikitian's post.

[Nikitian]

((Uh oh. All of this happened... in what, about seven hours I was away? This game certainly reminds me of ER in its very youth, dammit. 

Problem is, I'm running off right now and can't immediately figure out the correct way out of this SNAFU, so instead I'll just let syvarris puppet Barrantes for the next few turns (uh, 24 hours?), seeing how he's taken command anyway.

Sorry for holding off the turn. Kinda had a night's sleep here. ))

[Aigre Excalibur]

((Well, a suggested move for this particular SNAFU:
Get the folks in the centre out of the open. If you can successfully assault and secure both western elevator lobbies, you can drag Lilian to safety and treat her.
m203 the passenger lift. Suppress the glob in the north with more explosives.

The aliens are in, "stop the evil humans from capturing our ride" mode. By attacking the roof and the UFO, you are forcing them to come to you. If you had gone in from the ground floor, they might have been content to play defense-in-depth (with overlapping overwatches and crossfires). If you can secure both eastern lift lobbies, the only place they can reinforce from would be the western lobbies. The lobbies all have emergency stairwells that you can throw grenades down. Most combatants would avoid that kind of escalade if it's occupied by a grenade throwing enemy.

In an ideal first move, you could have just focused on maneuvering decisively. Pop smoke to cover your movements, then bayonet charge into one of the lift lobbies. From there you can easily suppress the one across you (m203 anything coming out of it or the passenger lift) and firefight from an advantageous position. Once you've disembarked, the tangos holding hostages in front of you are a red herring. Your flanks should be a critical concern in urban fighting. If you wanted to engage the hostage area, just chuck flashbangs at them to keep them down.

Here you've charged in two directions, and have casualties in the centre. Make the most of it.     ))

[syvarris]

Spoiler: Don't open this (click to show/hide)

Get the folks in the centre out of the open.

Well this is interesting!  I was unaware we had people in the open.  Do you mean the corpses?  You couldn't mean me, because I spent a turn explicitly finding cover when I could have been shooting instead.

Be one of the first to disembark (are we fastroping or landing?), and clear the immediate vicinity before taking cover.

Processing half a turn here. You disembark and scramble for some area cover.

You say "area" before "cover", which is a seemingly pointless addition.  I kinda wonder whether you meant I went prone, but "cover" is a weird word to describe "in the open", and why would I have done that anyway?  I mean, the chopper was told to disgorge troops in the southwestern area, which would mean I would've had to run out of cover to go prone in the middle of a grassy field.  No, it makes more sense that there's actually convienent waist-high cover in the grassy field, and you just placed me there for a better field of fire or something.

Suggestion to chopper pilot: Land behind the store to the lower left, so we can disembark in cover.

If you can successfully assault and secure both western elevator lobbies

Now who would be doing that?  If me and TFTP tried to, we'd be leaving the cover that I just established we had.  That would get us shot by the ~12 ayys who have a clear LoS to us.  Doesn't it make more sense to grenade the SW elevator, while suppressing the NW elevator so that the people near the NW elevator can flank it?  That wouldn't require poking our heads out of cover to be shot.

Suppress the glob in the north with more explosives.

More explosives?  What, you mean more than the grenades we're already throwing at them?  Where are these grenades and the people who're throwing them coming from?  Are we getting reinforcements with grenade launchers?  How nice.

By attacking the roof and the UFO, you are forcing them to come to you.

This was the idea, yes.  We just did not account for the elevators being so fast.  I also didn't count on my action to clear the elevator to be ignored.  Oh well!

If you had gone in from the ground floor, they might have been content to play defense-in-depth (with overlapping overwatches and crossfires).

Oh, how wonderful!  Intentionally allowing ourselves to be outflanked by enemies who outnumber us and have the high ground!  Why didn't I consider this plan?

bayonet charge into one of the lift lobbies.

_^*snerk*

I wanted to do this, but I need three more kills before I get the mainiac killstreak reward.  Pay attention, Aigre.

From there you can [...] firefight from an advantageous position.

Oh my god!  This is genius!  Our enemies are using automatic armor-piercing weapons, so let's all group up tightly together in a doorway that prevents us from seeing any lines of approach aside from directly forward!  This way, we can idly wait as the crappy ayy AI occasionally sends a soldier wandering into our LoS, where we can shoot them.  The ayys won't just learn that we're there and mount a full-scale assault, or worse, round up their hundred hostages and fly away immediately!  They're not that smart!

This master plan is amazing.  I'm sure it would have worked out sooo well.  If only our troops didn't each have an individual player, so they would just follow an exact plan to the letter without any dangerous initiative.

If you wanted to engage the hostage area, just chuck flashbangs at them to keep them down.

Oh, so that's why flashbangs cost five times as much as frag grenades!  These ones are long-range flashbangs which are effective against people fifty meters away from them, unlike real-life flashbangs which are only particularly effective within a short range, and exclusively used for CQB operations where the confined space magnifies their effects.

Though, really, we might as well just nade all the civvies.  I mean, there's what, a hundred of them?  Being watched by only four child-size enemies?  If they were at all sapient, they'd just kill their captors and take the guns.  Obviously the ayys have used evil mind control abilities to subdue the humans!  This also explains how they can take human hostages and still fire accurately at enemies more than a hundred meters away--they don't have to deal with struggling captives!


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I haven't been awake at eight in the morning in a really long time.  I also haven't wanted to rip someone's throat out with my teeth in a long time.  These things are probably related.  I should go cool down.

[syvarris]

Barrantes Action: Blindly throw a flashbang out, in the vauge direction of the suppressing ayys.  Blindly follow it with two smoke grenades, trying to place them where they will block LoS of the civvie crowd to Lester [syv] and Denning [TFTH].  Then follow Muldoon [Dev], wielding M14.  If his check shows the hallway as clear, rush to the elevator lobby and lob an impact frag inside.  If Muldoon sees enemies in the hallway, chuck a timed frag down it, and following the explosion lean out and open up with automatic fire on the enemy position.

[Twinwolf]

((Just going to ask, how many people actually brought Smoke grenades? Lillian was loaded down with explosives, but I didn't see any option for smoke grenades in the OP.))

[AzyWng]

((I'm willing to go for an easier mission.))

Anyway, shoot/apply suppressing fire to the aliens in the elevator closest to me (should be the one down near the bottom of the map).

[syvarris]

((Twin, I bought one smoke, Nik bought two.  Nobody else.  All three are being used this turn.

Azy, I forgot you existed!  I think the GM did too, considering you aren't on the map.  That makes this situation a good bit better looking.  20 sweet, sweet HE grenades...  Why dontcha fire a few?  It'll be more effective than rifle fire, and we're all probably gonna die anyway.))

[Twinwolf]

((Noted, and will bring at least ten for the next mission. Whether it's with this character or not.

Also, feel free to loot the grenades and other explosives off of my character. She's not using them.))

[MidnightJaguar]

((Actually, Twin, Sean might be able save your character, she might have her lung capacity cut though, it depends on how bad the holes in her lungs are.))

[Twinwolf]

((I'm aware of the chance. Doesn't mean the high explosives have to go to waste  ))

[MidnightJaguar]

((Of course, this is an ER derevative, the looting goes unsaid ))

[TheBiggerFish]

((PTW!))

[syvarris]

((I am currently thinking we should probably just cut our losses and retreat.  Aigre's pretty explicitly said that we have very bad chances of winning without heavy smoke, which is compounded by the fact that three people are dead, and probably even more once this turn is over.  I suppose if we're very lucky we might be able to take the UFO and use it as our choke point, but we'd almost certainly be flanked and murdered before crossing over that far.  We stand much better chances just taking the NW elevator down to the first floor and running.  Either way, the wounded are all dead.

I suppose I can put it to a vote, though.  Who's in favor of an almost certainly glorious death in battle, and who's in favor of possibly living to fight another day?))

[Twinwolf]

((If you drag Lillian's body with you, I vote live to fight another day.))