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[FallacyofUrist]

so basically when your beloved dies you do too?

Maybe. It didn't say in the role...

FoU, no vote. How does that help the town?

It probably doesn't. But I'm not willing to risk lynching my beloved or lynching the Evil role and thus ending the game.

Why is it[voting day one aggressively] suddenly scummy now? Poor word choice?

I would say it's not. Of course, the scum wants to lynch town too... so it's not necessarily a town tell either.

Unless, of course, FoU is willing to put his money where his mouth is and vote Moonlit?

So here's how it is. Moonlit isn't my beloved(thank you for letting me in so I could check), so the only thing I have to risk is if he's the Evil role and lynching him ends the game. So I'd only be willing to risk lynching him if I think he's town.

Do you want me to lynch town?

[TheBiggerFish]

Tomasque: Does the round end when Town or Evil win, or when all wincons have been resolved one way or the other?

[hector13]

Why is it[voting day one aggressively] suddenly scummy now? Poor word choice?

That is not what I said, nor what I did. I was urging you guys to vote aggressively on D1, because actually having people vote gives us a basis for action on D2, plus the information from the flip to factor in.

I've shared my thoughts regarding this many times over the course of this game, so I'm curious why it factors into Moonlit's scum read of me now. It should actually be a null tell, since I'm going to be telling you guys to do it whether I'm town, neutral or scum. Heck, the game in which we were in the car I was neutral and I was getting on the town's ass about not voting.

As for whether or not I want you to lynch town, FoU, the answer is no. However, your reads don't factor into how I read other people, because you're just as fallible as I am, and you've claimed a different wincon. I may take your voting pattern into account, but then we get to the thing about NOBODYVOTING so it doesn't matter.

I think Moonlit is scum, and would quite like to lynch him. Otherwise I'd like to lynch you, FoU, as that is guaranteeing a removal of a (potentially) anti-town wincon.

[hector13]

Tomasque: Does the round end when Town or Evil win, or when all wincons have been resolved one way or the other?

Looks like you may have a neutral wincon too, brah. If FoU's beloved wins, he wins if he discovers them, otherwise he loses.

[TheBiggerFish]

No, that was a general question.  I was asking it because FoU, actually.

[hector13]

Game ends when town or scum win. FoU's wincon doesn't matter beyond that (in terms of when the game will end)

[TheBiggerFish]

Ehhh, where does it say that?

[hector13]

... FoU's claimed wincon? He wins if he discovers his beloved and his beloved wins. This means that his beloved can win before he discovers them. Which means the game will end without consideration of whether or not he's met his claimed wincon.

How is this line of questioning helping you find scum?

[Tomasque]

Tomasque: Does the round end when Town or Evil win, or when all wincons have been resolved one way or the other?

Exceptions aside, once either the Town or Scum wincon is completed, the game ends.

[TheBiggerFish]

Tomasque: Does the round end when Town or Evil win, or when all wincons have been resolved one way or the other?

Exceptions aside, once either the Town or Scum wincon is completed, the game ends.

Well that was somewhat unhelpful.

... FoU's claimed wincon? He wins if he discovers his beloved and his beloved wins. This means that his beloved can win before he discovers them. Which means the game will end without consideration of whether or not he's met his claimed wincon.

How is this line of questioning helping you find scum?

I freely admit that it isn't really helping.  But nevertheless, it needed clearing up.

Anywho.

Dang it, I can't think of a half-decent question.

[hector13]

Who are you suspicious of and why?

[Starver]

Quick placeholder to say that I've just woken up, after a tiring day, yesterday, and my head hitting the pillow straight after I got back. (Pity this latest batch of conversation didn't happen 24 hours prior - I had plenty of time then.)

Gonna take half an hour to assimilate what I've just skimmed through, some of which changes my pre-formed worldview quite a bit. I'd rather not be credulous, what with being (deliberately?) misled, but looks like some weirdness.

[Starver]

Okay, got through it properly.

Revealing my status seems counterproductive, given the strange claims so far that seems to include more than one untruth in them, from what I think I know. Perhaps, though, I might change opinions before EOD.

Could I get clarification from Fallacy and Moonlit about visitations. Did Fallacy (rudely) visit Moonlit seeking his beloved, or did Moonlit visit Fallacy asking (rudely rebuffed) questions? Or both happened??

Not a FoS of either party, that.  It just would help me narrow down who else is wandering around, at night.

[TheBiggerFish]

FoU is not very town-friendly in any case.

[Starver]

FoU is not very town-friendly in any case.

I know I defended FoU against Hector's vote, but I've got an off-the-wall theory about his interactions. A long shot, and I don't know that I'd risk all on that, today, even if is the best of a bad lot of ideas. Not even to save me.