Why not ask me about my suspicions to clear up any misunderstanding you might have?
I've been subtly trying to get people to bring more stuff (non-threatening, even totally fabricated, if they need to!) to the conversation. That was your cue as much as it was anyone's. Too subtly?
I didn't want to roleflip you because you seemed to think you would be more useful to town while still alive
Even when I said "Almost tempted to get myself lynched, tell everything and let my roleflip confirm (or correct, if I'm squirreling) my own claim, at this rate." and went even further than that in the next post?
You've said that I visited Moonlit N1 when that wasn't the action I took. This does add credence to my belief that something isn't right with my results from N1. Perhaps as you say, you were what did it, and my paranoia about scum doing it is unfounded.
I currently have two main theories. Firstly and easiest that you are lying, which makes you scummy. Secondarily is that I have a hidden redirect to my own skill that mislead you, which makes me a spoiling role, not a true investigator as I imagineb I am, much as per Fish was last turn, and one or other of us should probably be roleflipped if we can't trust my result not to mess up everyone's logic for the round.
(I would rather have not claimed at all, but the stagnation of conversation and the apparently passive Evil role is making me twitchy.)
You get to decide whether you find something suspicious, but then you don't seem to ask about it until the day is almost over,
I was
trying to get a response well before half the day-cycle had passed, you recall...
which I don't understand, so I'll ask a question about it.
How come you waited this long to ask about something that - from the information you had - you knew was wrong?
I wanted the villain to dig their own grave. Even if it then needed my death to convince others of my sincerity in pointing out that this is what they've done. I wasn't actually expecting you to definitely be the one, but you're too good a player to have dug yourself into one so plainly whilst the true enemy has resisted my deliberate temptations, mis-hints, promises
and threats, so I'm seizing on this. I had indeed planned to make my full reveal
just before day-end (especially if under threat of personal Lynch), so it pains me to be described as acting as the day is almost over when I ended up acting more than a third of a (RL) day before deadline.
Now I find that [personal role unreliability] may have been your fault, and you didn't seem to think it necessary to point that out when I brought it up.
I think you'll find I was fishing for more detail a number of times. (Just because I didn't label it with
@everybody, let alone
@you, didn't mean I wasn't asking you questions, increasingly unsubtly...)
I only know that my results on N1 were unreliable. This could've been as a result of your action, it could've been a result of a hidden auto, or it could've been something unrelated. How else do you propose I work toward ruling these things out?
If I'm roleflipped, my currently full and frank 'knowledge' can be confirmed or seen in the true light of whatever there yet remains hidden even to me. As an openly outed investigator, I'm no less useful than the one who can only hint as to (perceived) facts that only the opposition knows to be true (or mistaken). The uncertainty in my role is the biggest disadvantage, either way, and a scummily-inclined player would prefer that to remain. (i.e. Either knowledge lost by the silencing of the inestigator-in-hiding, or no public revelation of the background to the public detective's raving proclamations.)
Alternately, you (assuming Town Investigator or approximate variant) now have knowledge about Moonlit that
should rule them in/out of Town's suspicions if we can trust you (and trust me that this is what even happened). You've likely revealed enough to make you a target for true-scum, depending upon mechanism at their disposal, and your own flipping would authenticate any statement of yours regarding Mooonlit, thus more easily zeroing in on whoever the true enemy is from who remains. Given the Townie wincon (but not the Scum one) that seems like a reasonable-enough sacrifice to me, much as I do my own. YMMV, but there's got to bena good explanation for it. At least a hint. (See end if this post.)
(There's another conclusion that I've made, related to the above, but I'm waiting to see if another individual does/doesn't act upon it, themselves. No hints what it is and which it is, though!)
You defending Fallacy was suspicious
If we're in league as Evil Cow-orkers, then Town had bigger problems than my potential self-sacrifice to further the cause of Evil.
along with what I assume you think was the most suspicious thing you could say.
You flatter me. I merely voiced what I expected anybody to already be thinking... Almost disarmingly so. Maybe
that (the subtext, not the text) was the more suspicious, but then if you've gone that far in the stream of logic then you must consider yet a further level of bluff, and counter-bluff and counter-counter-bluff, and so on. Suspicion = i
2/2 + i
4/4 + i
6/6 + ... + i
2n/2n?
(I think that probably converges, as
n tends to infinity, but I haven't checked.)
being the only person with a case from D1
I don't rate your case, compared to your usual standards (even the random fire approach). I would even guess that you have
a target in your (Neutral?) wincon, and you suspect it to be Fallacy, so unwavering are you. But it stands out as odd. Which is not what I expect from your town-tell, even less than it is what I'd expect of your scum-tell. (Five and a half hours to change my mind about that, isn't it?)
while TBF and Moonlit haven't done anything of note during the day,
Troubling, but for my own part I've found they've passed mini-tests that inspire me with confidence. Perhaps accidentally/unknowingly, but they've they've played the game and won more of my confidence, in a roughly Beyesian manner of adding up assumptions and later confirmations/refutations to those assumptions, as things go on.
(i.e. Even though silence is hurting them, their occasional activity has seemed more than useful.)
That's a lot more role-fishy than what you were supposedly doing before. What I can reveal might reveal more about Moonlit, if you did change my target, and I'm unwilling to do that in case he is town.
If you truly suspect your information is useless, then your best chance is to see how useful my information is. Or resign yourself to being the Fish-role of last round (by your own hand or mine) if you don't have anything useful to say about it. Direct or meta- or meta-meta-...
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