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[hector13]

I hope y'all realise the out you're giving TDS if he is the Evil role.

[TheBiggerFish]

We still have the dichotomy between what Moonlit says Tomasque said, and what TDS says Tomasque said, if he comes back with a different result...

[hector13]

Which is literally the same as Moonlit's word against TDS' without Tomasque's input.

[TheBiggerFish]

Exactly.

[hector13]

So there's no point in this at all, beyond offering TDS an opportunity to say "whoops, my bad." which isn't really all that useful if he is the evil role.

Unvote, for the moment.

[TheBiggerFish]

Alternatively, Moonlit is lying.

[TheBiggerFish]

Exactly...

[Starver]

I was blocked from checking Moonlit, last night.  That could be TDS's 'fault' (by Moonlit's interpretation of TDS's auto, but not TDS's) or it could be someone else's, undeclared.  It did not stop the poking of me, last night, and there's possible confusion about the 'known but blocked' status of Fish's poke on TDS, N0, so maybe pokes are immune, but it's a point that's giving me a lot of trouble accepting any 'simple' explanation, still, even/especially after TDS has given me my wished-for clarification.

[TheDarkStar]

So I checked with Tomasque and I only block people who visit me. So obviously Moonlit is lying about his inspection result.

Everyone: Have you had a blockable action succeed anytime during the game? Because if so, then I obviously don't block everyone - I've been visited every night (and I'm notified of this, but not who the visitor(s) are).

[TheBiggerFish]

It seems that - no, TBF, why don't you explain further?

We don't know which of you two is lying about the mechanics of TDS's roleblock.

I, personally, am inclined to read it according to TDS's interpretation (and have been all along), so I don't know how you're seizing on to the lack of one word so strongly.  It's like you're trying to frame a case through incredible obstinacy and exact words, which is frankly a really weird way to do things.

That, and what if TDS isn't the only person with a roleblock?  I mean, it's certainly not impossible.

@TDS:Assuming my poke is roleblockable, yes, I have in fact had it succeed on nights when, by TMS's theory and barring some weird exception to the rules, I woupd have been blocked.

So...I'm going to switch my vote to Moonlit.

[Starver]

I keep saying I was blocked, and I keep saying I was not blocked (from getting Fish's status as Town) on N0.  This mismatches everything, without complication from other people.  But otherwise, I see very little scumminess in TDS, when comparing with the big picture...

The poke happened each time (no obvious reason to believe anything blocking-related to initiating a non-TDS block, but has to be considered), noticably blocked only upon N0, upon the Blocking Source, never at any other time

Hector's skill never got a chance to be blocked, because I didn't, then wouldn't, notice and follow-up on the invitation to visit.

Moonlit is a strange one, has definitely lied, and said as how he was bocked in http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155932.msg7061563#msg7061563 yet not ever in http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155932.msg7067056#msg7067056 and it's just too strange and confusing.  And not the only one.  But role-discovery seems legit, with but marginal scum-use behind it.  Thoughts from others?

(Ninjaed by Fish, as I spent a lot of time rereading thread.)

[TheBiggerFish]

....Hector, what have you to say here?

[hector13]

....Hector, what have you to say here?

argh

[hector13]

In a more serious note, both Moonlit and TDS' points re: TDS' action have been proven true: N0 Starver got a result on TBF, and N2 Starver didn't get a result on Moonlit. 0-0

Perhaps Moonlit thus cannot be investigated... then again, neither can TDS. 0-0

TBF has been poking his way through the town (*nudge wink*) willy-nilly, and my action results have specifically stated they failed because I wasn't visited, not because I was blocked. The only claimed unblockable is Moonlit, however... 1-0, TDS

TDS has claimed town weakness though - this makes sense given his blocking and potential inability to be investigated - TBF town special - which I still find hard to believe, but is secondary just now; I think he's neutral - while Starver and I have claimed investigative roles, and Moonlit I guess has alluded to same with his action. 2-0, TDS

I think I'm more inclined to accept TDS' position at this point, sorry Moonlit.

[Starver]

We've been going round in circles a lot, and I've just had to check that I've not messed up my own part in this.

It's absolutely on a knife-edge, some contrary things on my mind, but I've got to go for Moonlit. Happier to know that there is more time to correct a merely misguided action at this point.  Hoping it's not a bad mistake.

(I was looking forward to hearing Fish's role info, but that'll have to wait unti endgame reveal, I suppose.)