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[Gwolfski]

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If a district makes a tavern and has people petition for citizenship is it up to that district, the Founders district, or a council of districts? Also, will they be considered as migrants or district citizens?

After weighing the pros and cons, I'm going to say that the District who has the highest ranking Noble as a member will get to approve citizenship requests, and if granted, the new citizen will become a member of any District willing to pay the "application fee", or become a "free range" migrant if no District wants them.

This is how I see this happening:
1. Visitor applies for citizenship at some Inn
2. Game update file posted to the forum along with an announcement of the application
3. Player whose District was applied in takes a look at the applicant in the updated save game (while anyone who wishes to does also by uploading the save file.)
4. Player decides whether or not to sell that application to the District containing the next higher Noble than is in their District (Mayor->Baron->Count->Duke->ect...)
5. Player attempts to sell the application to the Player with the next higher Noble.
6. If sale is accepted, but that Noble is not the highest one in the City, the cycle repeats from step 4.  However, if the person who bought the application is the highest ranking Noble in the City, then they decide whether to grant the request or not.
7. The Player who granted citizenship then can decide to auction off the membership of the new citizen to other Districts in order to attempt to recoup their investment, or they can decide to just eat the price and have the new citizen become a member of their District instead.
8. If offered for auction, the price of the new citizen's "application fee" must be met or exceeded.  Otherwise, the citizen is deemed not worth their fee, and they become "free range" instead.  (Making the granting of the request a bit of a gamble.)   

Me no understand!

So if you gate an applicant, everyone has to agree or what? wouldn't it be easier that just the player who owns the tavern has to beproducing enough food booze for them, if they accept?

[Timeless Bob]

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If a district makes a tavern and has people petition for citizenship is it up to that district, the Founders district, or a council of districts? Also, will they be considered as migrants or district citizens?

After weighing the pros and cons, I'm going to say that the District who has the highest ranking Noble as a member will get to approve citizenship requests, and if granted, the new citizen will become a member of any District willing to pay the "application fee", or become a "free range" migrant if no District wants them.

This is how I see this happening:
1. Visitor applies for citizenship at some Inn
2. Game update file posted to the forum along with an announcement of the application
3. Player whose District was applied in takes a look at the applicant in the updated save game (while anyone who wishes to does also by uploading the save file.)
4. Player decides whether or not to sell that application to the District containing the next higher Noble than is in their District (Mayor->Baron->Count->Duke->ect...)
5. Player attempts to sell the application to the Player with the next higher Noble.
6. If sale is accepted, but that Noble is not the highest one in the City, the cycle repeats from step 4.  However, if the person who bought the application is the highest ranking Noble in the City, then they decide whether to grant the request or not.
7. The Player who granted citizenship then can decide to auction off the membership of the new citizen to other Districts in order to attempt to recoup their investment, or they can decide to just eat the price and have the new citizen become a member of their District instead.
8. If offered for auction, the price of the new citizen's "application fee" must be met or exceeded.  Otherwise, the citizen is deemed not worth their fee, and they become "free range" instead.  (Making the granting of the request a bit of a gamble.)   

Me no understand!

So if you gate an applicant, everyone has to agree or what? wouldn't it be easier that just the player who owns the tavern has to beproducing enough food booze for them, if they accept?

Ok, so suppose you "gate" an applicant, and your District also has the Mayor as a member of it.  If the Mayor is the highest ranked noble in the City, you get to choose whether to accept or deny this individual that citizenship.  If there's a Baron in some other District, then your Mayor doesn't get to choose, but your District can benefit from "selling" that citizenship application to the District with the Baron in it.  Now the Baron gets to choose whether to make this individual a citizen or not, because they're the highest noble.

Now, suppose there's no Baron yet, and you as the Mayor don't want to immediately just make the individual a member of your District: (Maybe they're an elvish minstrel and elves killed your parents or whatever), then you can still get some benefit from auctioning this new citizen off to another District.  If the auction goes well, your District is richer and the other District gets a new citizen.  If, however, nobody wants to pay the minimum of what you spent buying the application (in the Mayor's case it would be no cost at all), then the elfish minstrel becomes a "free range" laborer, and is able to be picked up as a District Founder by a new Player.

It would be simpler to just say >poof< new citizen!, yes, but these little dynamic mini-games within the context of the bigger one are what will make the City really feel alive, because it keeps the Players active within the decision loop.

[LordPorkins]

...... Hows about we have the dried ears of elves as currency? conveiniantly sized, non-reproducible, and we aint using them For anything else !

[Gwolfski]

but he still lives in the inn, doesnt he?

[Timeless Bob]

but he still lives in the inn, doesnt he?

Is that how it works?  Hmm.  I guess then he'd be paying that Inn a rental stipend from the District that owns him, or will own him as a "free range" migrant.

[Gwolfski]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A visitor or guest is a person who comes to your fort at random, to stay at a location. Initially, you will receive only about three visitors for each location, who are all curious about the location they are visiting. When they leave, they may bring back word of what your place is like, attracting more visitors. This may benefit your fort, for example by providing social contacts for your dwarves, or enlisting soldiers. However, if you prefer having a dwarf-only fort (save for the prisoner elves and goblins), you should make sure they do not leave alive.
Types of visitors

    Guest: will come to relax, and only provides social contacts and may perform in your inn. After they finish their tasks, diplomats may stay a while as guests.
    Scholar: will come to study, which includes reading books and discussing scientific topics with other scholars (including other visitors and your own dwarves), and may write books in your library.
    Mercenary: will come to get enlisted into the military. They will either petition for long-term residency or relax, and when you accept them, they can be added to any squad (note that they cannot be squad leaders) and will follow any order the squad receives. They are attracted by your inn.
    Performer: as the name suggests, will come to perform in your inn. They will tell stories, dance, make music, or recite poetry. They do this for fun, and will not ask anything in return. They may petition for long-term residency.
    Monster Hunter: monster hunters visit inns to hunt monsters within the caverns. Once they are granted long term residency they will occasionally go down into the caverns on their own to hunt. As of 0.42.4 they might be bugged as nobody other than Toady has reported seeing them, but supposedly their requirements for arrival are having opened the caverns.

Note: This page was written by two people so far, so there may be more types of visitors not listed here.
Residency petitions

Sometimes, a visitor may come with the intent to stay in your fort on the long term. All types of visitors can do this. When a visitor petitions for residency, they will meet up with your mayor. You will have the final say about whether the visitor will become a resident.

When you accept them, they will be added to the list of civilians in your fort as if they were a migrant. Their needs, preferences, and thoughts will be visible to them as normal, but they will not be able to have labours or occupations assigned. Aside from the reason why they came to your fort (such as performing in your inn), they may take brief breaks and do stuff in other locations in your fort.

After about 2 years in your fort, the visitor may then apply for citizenship, and accepting will allow them to have labors in your fort. They still will not be able to have occupations. Mercenaries will never apply for citizenship.

this might help. so lets say if they are only visitin (renting a room) Its up to the owner of the inn. but if it is long-term/civilanship petition, then it is the method you have.

[Sanctume]

A good reason to dig ramps all the way to the cavern, and build an inn there.

[Shofet]

Next to the tunnel road!

[Sanctume]

We have a tunnel road?

I read that you can butcher those accepted citizens.  Human biscuits anyone?

[Shofet]

We have a tunnel road?

I read that you can butcher those accepted citizens.  Human biscuits anyone?

It runs north to south on your side of the map.

[Shofet]

Can we move to 42.06? It would solve the no humans most likely.

[Timeless Bob]

Can we move to 42.06? It would solve the no humans most likely.

I'm using the LNP so, I'll check if they're up to 42.06 yet.
I have a feeling we'll be getting humans sooner or later - the closest human civ is on the other side of the Dwarven one, next to a goblin civ.  Their tower might be one of the reasons The Merchants of Wood are still around.

There's the LNP for 42.05 so that's what I'm using for year 202.  I'll update the game as we continue, which will be interesting, as the new features will slowly implement with it as it ages.  Very cool.

[Gwolfski]

and instability

[Gwolfski]

rumbling from the deeps......


BUMP!

[Timeless Bob]

Sorry guys, my laptop bit the dust a few days ago and its been an interesting internet-less week since then. 
Fortunately, all the "blueprint" save files and the original "main game" file is waiting right here in this forum for me to upload.
Unfortunately, I'll need to start over from scratch getting it all together, so the history as it stands may need some re-writing. 

No worries, we're good to go!