The big thing I hate about proselytizing religions is that they're abusive in the same way an abusive partner is. They'll tell you you're bad, evil, corrupt, immoral, etc and then tell you the only thing that can help you is the religion itself. This is 100% identical to an abusive partner that uses emotional and physical harm to tear someone down and make them reliant.
On that note, I watched a little debate between an atheist and a preacher the other day, and the preacher said that if there was no God, then murder wouldn't be wrong. To me, that was conflating different points. Firstly, is something only wrong if you can get caught or punished? Secondly, how do we know something is wrong? Lastly, would this thing still be wrong even if God didn't exist?
For example if you murder and rape, is that ok because you didn't read the bible yet. After all, if it's
only wrong because God says so in the bible, then naturally anyone who hasn't read the bible yet shouldn't be held accountable. The preacher conflates wrongness with punishment for doing wrong, and knowledge of right/wrong, whereas I'd argue that things are inherently wrong in and of themselves, regardless of whether God exists or whether he wrote laws about it, and regardless of whether you get caught and punished in this life, or caught and punished in the afterlife.
Additionally, if a preacher says that right/wrong
comes from the Bible, then literally anything is ok, if it's not
specifically banned in the bible. No matter how heinous or self-destructive. There's no wishy-washy "God wouldn't like that" speech allowed here, if they're claiming that all moral value comes from God and is specifically outlined in the bible. Any loophole the bible allows is a legitimate thing you can do.