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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7845 on: July 24, 2020, 05:40:42 am »

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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7846 on: July 24, 2020, 05:48:27 am »

Wer weder Geld hat noch Verstand, dem bleibt das Vaterland.
I'm not that kind of nationalist. :P
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7847 on: July 24, 2020, 06:47:45 am »

A nation isn't a physical thing. It is by its nature divisive.

Fraternity isn't a physical thing. It is by it's nature divisive.


And finally, you have tradition-- which at least is less about "US vs THEM!" and more "the way things have always been!", which more often than not, is used as justification for sustaining afore mentioned "US vs THEM!" ideological powerhouses.

Liberals: Traditions are only holding us back!
Trump: *breaks every presidential tradition*
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7848 on: July 24, 2020, 07:00:19 am »


Fraternity isn't a physical thing. It is by it's nature divisive.
That's why sorority is better :P
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« Reply #7849 on: July 24, 2020, 07:03:31 am »

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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7850 on: July 24, 2020, 07:18:06 am »

It's weird that one would go so far as call them one's brother if the motherfucker 350km further is excluded from that bond. It's allmost as if it the concept is not about inclusion.

It's strange to you that I call my brother my brother and my cousin my cousin?

And don't give me the spiel about "inclusion". There's nothing less inclusive than individualism. It's the tool of the capitalist elite to tear the unity of their subjects asunder. Strip people of their care for their neighbours and make them easy to push around, alone and brittle.
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« Reply #7851 on: July 24, 2020, 07:59:05 am »

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« Reply #7852 on: July 24, 2020, 08:08:56 am »

It's strange that you'd call a stranger a brother because they have the same stamp on their ID. And nationalism as opposed to individualism? Not more like nationalism as opposed to internationalism? OK.

Stamps on IDs has got nothing to do with it.

And no, there is no "internationalism". That's like referring to neo-colonialism as globalisation. A simple propagandic attempt at rebranding something to sound nicer. If you actually believe in "one planet, one nation" ideas then you're not an "internationalist", you're an ultra-uber-pan-nationalist.
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« Reply #7853 on: July 24, 2020, 08:16:53 am »

Wer weder Geld hat noch Verstand, dem bleibt das Vaterland.
I'm not that kind of nationalist. :P

It's the only type of nationalist.
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« Reply #7854 on: July 24, 2020, 08:17:21 am »

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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7855 on: July 24, 2020, 08:30:33 am »

=/=culture, etc.
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« Reply #7856 on: July 24, 2020, 08:50:24 am »

Wer weder Geld hat noch Verstand, dem bleibt das Vaterland.
I'm not that kind of nationalist. :P

It's the only type of nationalist.
Well I don't want to exterminate (or otherwise mistreat) other nations and cultures if that's what you mean?
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« Reply #7857 on: July 24, 2020, 08:54:52 am »

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« Reply #7858 on: July 24, 2020, 09:00:13 am »

Hypothetically;

Justify this scenario. 

In your country, you have easy access to life saving technologies and medicines. They are ubiquitous, and the costs of making them available overseas is minimal.  However, it is not in your nation's interest to do so, because political reasons. 


Nationalism always boils down to exactly that kind of situation.  It could be availability of iron. Copper. Oil. Whatever.  Something that your country has in abundance, that another does not, and suffers from that lack of abundance over.  There is implicit justification that the refusal to make those resources available to another country's populace, at anything other than a one-sided deal, is simply unthinkable.

Why is that?

My basic answer:  US vs THEM.  We justify it on the terms that those are OUR resources, and that if THEY want access to them, then they need to give US something of slightly greater value, to justify our losing access to those resources. (Meanwhile, we have no problems at all shipping those resources, often at great expense, all around our own country to maximize local national utility of that resource.)

EG-- Denying a 3rd world country of life saving medicine, because "They have to be profitable to us! We cant just GIVE stuff away! That's UNTHINKABLE! We gotta look out for $"Nationality" interest!!", is defacto "Abusing other countries".

Specifically, we are abusing their position (as relates to that resource availability) to extract concessions from them.  This is functionally equivalent to extortion-- The implicit threat, is that they will have to accept a diminished quality of life (imposed by our refusal to share that essential resource with them), if they do not meet OUR demands.

"That's a nice populace you have there-- It would sure be a shame if some highly infectious but easily treated disease started killing them because you lack the means to treat it yourselves. *nudge nudge*"

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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7859 on: July 24, 2020, 09:03:14 am »

That’s not nationalism, that’s capitalism.
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