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[hector13]

Are the people of your nation different enough from another nation that their decisions are better than the other?

No. We're not superior to other nations, where did I say that? It doesn't mean we should not preserve our culture or defend our nation against aggression.

It was implicit in what you said. Would you be willing to die in defense of another nation? If your nation was the aggressor against democracy, for example?

Culture can be preserved in museums and other institutions, places where it can’t be used to separate peoples.

[TheSteppeWolf]

Are the people of your nation different enough from another nation that their decisions are better than the other?

No. We're not superior to other nations, where did I say that? It doesn't mean we should not preserve our culture or defend our nation against aggression.

It was implicit in what you said. Would you be willing to die in defense of another nation? If your nation was the aggressor against democracy, for example?

Yes, if Mongolia turned into a dictatorship then I would fight AGAINST it.

Culture can be preserved in museums and other institutions, places where it can’t be used to separate peoples.

You can't preserve language and traditions in a museum.

[hector13]

You can't preserve language and traditions in a museum.

Other institutions, too. Language can be taught in school. Traditions probably done there too. You could even set up something specifically for preserving traditions.

Traditions are weird though. They’re things you do ‘cause people that are old or dead tell you to do them.

[TheSteppeWolf]

Good points but I have to go for now. Thanks for keeping it civil instead of personally attacking me. Lol

[hector13]

I understand why you are against communism, I just like the idea that everyone is the same and should be treated as such, and get disconcerted at things that can be used to separate people from one another (like culture) while understanding that some of those things are important enough to be preserved, if not necessarily celebrated. I don’t think I’d support communism anywhere because, like you, I think people tend to corrupt things to suit themselves.

I’m a weird one, supporting the independence of where I come from (and having a soft spot for independence movements elsewhere as a result) while also wanting to move beyond things like that.

[scriver]

Out of the ashes into the flames

[kaijyuu]

It's always best to follow evidence rather than ideology anyway. If something from an ideology (be it communism, capitalism, whatever) doesn't work... we should discard it rather than trying to be apologetic for it.

This is why I try to emphasize end goals like equality/etc. Specific enough to not have room for problematic things, vague enough that various approaches could potentially work. Peeps don't like that it's not immediately actionable, but I'm no expert on politics or economics or whatever, so I'll leave the "how" to people who do have a better idea.

[Eschar]

It's always best to follow evidence rather than ideology anyway. If something from an ideology (be it communism, capitalism, whatever) doesn't work... we should discard it rather than trying to be apologetic for it.

Indeed. The Lysenkoists are were a symptom of that problem - valuing ideology over observation.

[scriver]

Observation can be biased, narrative can drive conclusions.

[Eschar]

Certainly, but it's better to have observation drive ideology than the other way around - observation can be (imperfectly, yes) checked against multiple observations/perspectives - the scientific method.

[wierd]

The better option, is to have observation inform experiment, and then have experiment drive policy.

[Naturegirl1999]

The better option, is to have observation inform experiment, and then have experiment drive policy.

Yes

[MaxTheFox]

I'm probably too jaded to believe anarchism and "true" communism can ever work for humans. Maybe with another species with a different psyche. But humans are greedy bastards. In the absence of a state they will be nasty to each other and the whole deal will collapse into warlordism, then back to normal countries... it's just bizarre to me as a moderate authleft.

[bloop_bleep]

Except that for literally 95% of human history, there were no states as everyone lived in hunter gatherer groups and humans managed just fine.

[scriver]

Tribes is just slightly less formal states